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Offline james_s

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2018, 07:22:13 am »
I figured most of them were just bored people trolling trying to get a rise out of other people. A few are probably crackpots suffering from mental illness. I'd just continue to ignore them all.
 

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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2018, 08:22:59 am »
The interesting thing with flat earthers is the fact that they are not dying out, instead this movement seems to increase by the day.
I have a family member that strongly believes in a flat earth, and there is NOTHING I can say or do to change his mind.

But it can get stupider....
The newest movement is fuel hoax for airplanes.
This guy in this following video below is totally angry, because that movement has used his airplane engine repair videos to proof that there is no fuel. And he is in rant mode in this video. I followed him for a while, because he has great jet engine repair videos.
He also raises the question of how to deal with "stupid" people!

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2018, 08:57:50 am »
Once again, Bud, WTF are you going on about?

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2018, 09:21:47 am »
Meanwhile.......

said "empty head" sits happily looking over the edge his flat world while all the intellectuals discuss what to do about him.......

you couldn't make it up!   :scared:

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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2018, 09:51:45 am »
Another kind of cult aimed at conspiracy theorists or just uneducated fools. As you do not stand in front of any church educating atheism, you ignore flatearthers as well. Educating true believers is just waste of time because most of them are quite disconnected from real world anyways.
 

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« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2018, 10:10:51 am »
Another kind of cult aimed at conspiracy theorists or just uneducated fools. As you do not stand in front of any church educating atheism, you ignore flatearthers as well. Educating true believers is just waste of time because most of them are quite disconnected from real world anyways.

Exactly! Try telling them that his music is shit and see how far you get.



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« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2018, 10:25:27 am »
As far as the trolling is concerned, I mentioned nation state involvement and I feel there's little need to elaborate on who and why, but in addition to nation state trolling there are domestic sponsored trolls who's aim is not far different than the nation state sponsored trolls.  The nation state actors want to get the west to doubt any and all authority including leaders in the science world.  The domestic trolls just want people to focus on something other than the dirty deeds there sponsors are doing.

I think someone’s been watching too much cable TV “news”.
 

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2018, 01:22:59 pm »
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The newest movement is fuel hoax for airplanes.
Hoaxter discussion

https://youtu.be/7a8iRnWepmg?t=30

LOL...  I like how he puts it:

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"I never believed that so many people would find such a stupid idea so appealing, and they appear to have made themselves absolutely immune to the facts.  Just amazing!  They've got a perfect hard shell of ignorance around their, their very being."
 

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2018, 02:44:34 pm »
You have to understand that there are 46.529 million people in your country who have an IQ of less than 85. (by Wechsler) Retardation starts at 70 - 80, according to who you ask. Your country has a lower average IQ than the average IQ by definition. (98 instead of 100)
...What do you expect? I don't think they are trolling at all.

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« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2018, 03:15:06 pm »
You have to understand that there are 46.529 million people in your country who have an IQ of less than 85. (by Wechsler) [...]  Your country has a lower average IQ than the average IQ by definition. (98 instead of 100)

You've got our math wrong, or your U.S. population (325 Mio as of 2017)...
 

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« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2018, 05:20:59 pm »
The interesting thing with flat earthers is the fact that they are not dying out, instead this movement seems to increase by the day.
I have a family member that strongly believes in a flat earth, and there is NOTHING I can say or do to change his mind.

But it can get stupider....
The newest movement is fuel hoax for airplanes.
This guy in this following video below is totally angry, because that movement has used his airplane engine repair videos to proof that there is no fuel. And he is in rant mode in this video. I followed him for a while, because he has great jet engine repair videos.
He also raises the question of how to deal with "stupid" people!

He has gotten snared by the trolls, usenet is virtually dead, where did all the trolls go? To other online forums of course. Best to just ignore them, if it was possible to make a jet engine that ran on just air everyone would have one, it would be the holy grail of free energy and whoever was selling them would make a fortune that would put all the money in the oil industry to shame. Some idiot is probably cackling with glee that they got the turbine tech guy to dedicate nearly a whole episode to ranting about their stupid trolling.
 

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« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2018, 05:47:19 pm »
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"I never believed that so many people would find such a stupid idea so appealing, and they appear to have made themselves absolutely immune to the facts.  Just amazing!  They've got a perfect hard shell of ignorance around their, their very being."
Nothing unique to flat earthers. This describes any religion and most political isms.
 

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« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2018, 06:19:51 pm »
If it is a joke then:  ;D

Otherwise: No.

325.7 million / 7 = 46.529 million
Or 325.7 million / 100 * 14.3061222370% = 46,595,040.125909 people under 85 IQ - means exclusive 85 IQ, but including all other under
(https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx)

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2018, 06:41:08 pm »
Or 325.7 million / 100 * 14.3061222370% = 46,595,040.125909 people under 85 IQ - means exclusive 85 IQ, but including all other under
(https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx)

That would be the right table lookup if the average IQ were 100. But as you stated in your prior post, that's not the case in your example. In a population with an average IQ < 100, the percentage with IQ < 85 will be even larger .

This doesn't hurt your original argument, of course. The learning lesson here is that when you make an argument which involves IQ values, you invite comments from nitpickers. ;)
 

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« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2018, 06:47:04 pm »
I didn't really care about that. The info that the average IQ is 98 is questionable anyway and it is from 2006.

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« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2018, 08:56:24 pm »
Once again, Bud, WTF are you going on about?

Brian

Is your irony  detector working ok lately?


Bud has a habit of saying insane off-the-wall things so irony is only one of many possibilities...


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« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2018, 08:57:56 pm »
As far as the trolling is concerned, I mentioned nation state involvement and I feel there's little need to elaborate on who and why, but in addition to nation state trolling there are domestic sponsored trolls who's aim is not far different than the nation state sponsored trolls.  The nation state actors want to get the west to doubt any and all authority including leaders in the science world.  The domestic trolls just want people to focus on something other than the dirty deeds there sponsors are doing.

I think someone’s been watching too much cable TV “news”.

No, too many NASA and SpaceX videos filled with trolling...


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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2018, 02:33:18 am »
common sense is no-longer common.  :-//
Science has lost credibility when politics got added to it. in the 1990s
today for many non scientists, Science is seen as relative to whatever political view you hold to be true.  :horse:

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« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2018, 03:02:30 am »
On Friday I discovered that a pair of coworkers whom sometimes share a table on the company cafeteria, are flat earthers.

This came as a shock to me because otherwise they are smart and hardworking people. Not engineers though.

As someone else wrote in other post, it is all about compartmentalization of emotions.
 

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« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2018, 03:19:38 am »
That's just weird. I mean religion is one thing, I'm not religious myself but I can't prove there is no god. The earth though, I can hop on a commercial airliner and see the curvature of the earth with my own eyes, no blind faith is required, no woo, just look out the window and there it is.
 

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« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2018, 04:24:10 am »
That's just weird. I mean religion is one thing, I'm not religious myself but I can't prove there is no god.

The earth though, I can hop on a commercial airliner and see the curvature of the earth with my own eyes,

no blind faith is required, no woo, just look out the window and there it is.



You'll do better with your own eyes riding on an open crop dust plane, or open helicopter at various altitudes.   

Some commercial airliner ports sometimes give a distorted perspective, especially over large chunks of divided/bordered farmland

I remember years ago when I had a big 21" curved analogue PC monitor, jumped on a commercial flight, looked out and everything looked concave instead of flatish-convex

Same deal when I bought a 21" flat analogue monitor and TV, they looked concave too

You do adjust after a few head shakes and a beer or three...  8)
 

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2018, 04:25:38 am »
The fact that everybody here is talking about this today is proof that the flat earthers have won.

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2018, 04:31:32 am »
You'll do better with your own eyes riding on an open crop dust plane, or open helicopter at various altitudes.   

Some commercial airliner ports sometimes give a distorted perspective, especially over large chunks of divided/bordered farmland

I remember years ago when I had a big 21" curved analogue PC monitor, jumped on a commercial flight, looked out and everything looked concave instead of flatish-convex

Same deal when I bought a 21" flat analogue monitor and TV, they looked concave too

You do adjust after a few head shakes and a beer or three...  8)

Ok well I can also hike to the top of a local mountain, Mt. Pilchuck is a bit over 5,000ft, not airliner territory but on a clear day you can see out over the Pacific Ocean far enough to see the effect of the curvature.
 

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2018, 04:43:39 am »
The fact that everybody here is talking about this today is proof that the flat earthers have won.

Screwing with someone is only worthwhile so long as they react.


Some quick internet browsing brings up history info that Flat Earthers were on top for centuries before many bought into Copernicus theories/speculation at that time and turned

Perhaps FEs are either looking for payback or a free helicopter ride   :-// 

Either way, who GAF whether Earth is flat, round or whatever?

We should ALL AGREE to look after it and not let mentally ill money/power hoarders trash it with 'progress without purpose'

Once it's too far gone and polluted and the landfills FILLED,

it's GAME OVER for future generations

and us when we are old farts with one foot in the grave (if there's any clean fill space left)  having to deal with irate criticism for being d!ckhead procrastinists, selfish and apathetic   :-- :--

 

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« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2018, 05:10:40 am »
Perhaps FEs are either looking for payback or a free helicopter ride   :-// 

Is that a reference to what I think it's a reference to, or just a bad joke. Not offended, as that's hard to do, but I just want to ensure you know what that could mean.

To secant,

Either way, who GAF whether Earth is flat, round or whatever?

We should ALL AGREE to look after it and not let mentally ill money/power hoarders trash it with 'progress without purpose'

Once it's too far gone and polluted and the landfills FILLED,

it's GAME OVER for future generations

and us when we are old farts with one foot in the grave (if there's any clean fill space left)  having to deal with irate criticism for being d!ckhead procrastinists, selfish and apathetic   :-- :--

That's easy to hope for, even dream for. The issue comes when the minority at the top does not wish to give up their monetary advantage in order to combat something that is predictable, but not currently a problem.

Perhaps a better angle, considering human nature, would be to theorize ideas on how to fix the earth post-disastrously in the event concepts like global warming take hold.

I remember a political single pane cartoon, where at a symposium on global warming and the switching to less careless lifestyles, a man in the audience was drawn as projectedly asking "What if we were to create a better world for nothing?"

As a filthy millennial/Gen Z (I would believe I personally fall into the former, given my personal state in life, but the lines drawn are blurry and redefined by everyone else, and they are terms that are mostly meaningless fodder used to scream at other people with) I see the concepts like repair over refuse, personal accountability, and even things like common sense that have all but disappeared from our modern world. If a microwave breaks, it gets binned instead of being (with relatively simple knowledge and care) repaired. Cheap, easily disposable items are becoming more common than expensive items made to be fixed, but more importantly, to last.

I might just be pontificating, but I do think that the people of today have forgotten how to live. We take too much dependence on the services around us, which only makes it all the more easier to control us.
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