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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2018, 06:19:15 am »
The fact that everybody here is talking about this today is proof that the flat earthers have won.

Screwing with someone is only worthwhile so long as they react.

I don't think so at all. The "Flat Earthers" haven't won anything, unless it's a contest on who can be the nuttiest. They are an absolute laughing stock. Yes, we are talking about it, but it's not putting them in a good light.

We talk about criminals too... on just about every news channel. It doesn't mean they've won either.

Flat Earther's are like the court jesters of the scientific community. They exist for our amusement, nothing more.
 

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2018, 06:20:42 am »
The "Flat Earthers" are a group of people messing with you. The fact that they got the entire internet talking about them, means they have reached meme status. It's the goal, and what has been accomplished.

This is like when 4chan got a load of people to nuke their iPhones. If people truly believe it, they are casualties of the global education system.
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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2018, 06:26:43 am »
The "Flat Earthers" are a group of people messing with you. The fact that they got the entire internet talking about them, means they have reached meme status. It's the goal, and what has been accomplished.

This is like when 4chan got a load of people to nuke their iPhones. If people truly believe it, they are casualties of the global education system.

I'm sure there are people taking the piss and just doing it to troll, I don't doubt that at all. But the vast majority of Flat Earthers truly believe the bullshit they are concocting. An example I've used already is the Sovereign Citizen Movement/Freeman of the Land, same sort of deal. Those guys honestly believe in their twisted and simply incorrect views of society. They are deluded to the point where it's beyond funny, it's just incredibly sad. The strinking difference is, Flat Earther's aren't known to be violent.
 

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2018, 06:36:03 am »
I mean, when we get right down to it, creationists still exist, and in great numbers. Right or wrong, which is at the core a subjective matter (funnily enough), there are stupider or par beliefs in even greater numbers.

For this specific instance, I believe the majority is screwing around. Unless we have some sort of way to weed out the people who are in it for the shits, there is no good way to calculate how many people believe it.

Honestly, I believe this might even just stem from nobody wanting to contest the opinions and views of kids. I'm serious, so many stupid ideas get lodged into people's minds without anybody there to give them the cognitive fiber to think past it. The examples are, of course, controversial, so if you wish I can Discord you some for private purposes, but while I enjoy controversy on the forum, it's like a public park. When kept clean, it's nice for everybody, and it relies on me to not be the guy to junk it up too bad.

To every issue, there is two parts. What is going on, and what should be done. What is going on is what we are talking about here, but what should be done is a macro-issue that is unsolvable without significant dedication to improve ourselves in our logical abilities. We all need to remember that regardless of how objective the world it, it's being viewed through eyes that are purely subjective. You need to believe a fact to be true, you can't directly tap into the universe and see all that is true, and nothing else.
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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2018, 12:34:45 pm »
WOW!!... Thanks for all the great replies from everyone. (I'm the person who instigated it).
(I hope no-one thinks I 'support' this ridiculous 'theory', as I certainly do not !!!!)

Generally, I agree with the many comments here, regarding such statements as........
  "A lot of them may be just 'taking the piss' out of us", or
  "We shouldn't be giving them 'air' time by responding", or
  "We are just promoting them with their hit counts",  etc. etc. etc.
Actually, I 'especially' liked "TwoOfFive"'s honest responses without worrying about damn 'P.C.'
(And also surprised about 'some' peoples mention of 'creationists/religion' 'slipping-through haha..)

My (possibly) final words are basically this, though......
GENERALLY, most people, (myself included in the past), have made YouTube comments in reply to such 'supporters', along the lines of......  "You are nuts!!", or "Are you retarded !!", or "Where were you educated !!"... "How old are you"..."How can you not grasp..."
I think that a VAST MAJORITY of 'them' actually BELIEVE what they are purporting and so something is WRONG with them. And I don't think it is a matter of so-called 'intelligence'...   There are 'Savants', that couldn't even tie their Shoe-Laces, etc.....

"I" think that most people like to feel like they 'Belong' somewhere, or 'fit' within a GROUP, no matter what that 'group' is. And a lot of those also like to "buck the system", or follow non-traditional NORMS. They may appear relatively intelligent in their workplace, and are married with kids, (poor kids.. sorry!..), but don't feel that they BELONG anywhere, below the surface, so they CLING to even non-sociological 'norms'.

Someone may simply be uneducated, and not have the ability to think logically even in todays much advanced realm. However, some may be an absolute GENIUS Microbiology, or Metallurgy, or the Worlds best Accountant, or Artist.....   I for instance, have many decades of knowledge in the many technical fields I have worked in, and that has been expanded into HOBBIES covering Astronomy/Physics etc etc.
However, I would make a "PISS-POOR" Brain-Surgeon, with the proviso being that "I admit it !!!".....  So, 'they' don't UNDERSTAND about the most BASIC of physics, planets, moons, suns, gravity, orbits, spherical condensation,... but mostly 'SCALE' beyond their 'thoughts'...

So I maybe 'foolishly' thought that instead of knocking/abusing/belittling them, that we may non-judgmentally  educate them, and help them along the path of "Modern Enlightenment" in a logical way, instead ??    Then all their YouTube diatribe would have a more positive result, by educating instead of insulting, and THAT would start to predominate.    Some people are 'Fooled' by the simplest of 'Card-Tricks', but maybe we can be the 'Spoilers' by simply demonstrating how it's done !!!   ;D

And if all that fails, we can go back to ridicule & derision !!!!!!!!!
 

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2018, 03:02:33 am »
The more intelligent you are, the more dumb people you can count.

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« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2018, 05:42:09 am »
The more intelligent you are, the more dumb people you can count.

Sad but absolutely true. There comes a time when you just stop counting and just assume that every new person you meet is a stupid one until proven otherwise.
 

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« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2018, 03:04:00 am »
How we can be certain that the earth is not flat:



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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2018, 03:31:59 am »
The more intelligent you are, the more dumb people you can count.

Sad but absolutely true. There comes a time when you just stop counting and just assume that every new person you meet is a stupid one until proven otherwise.

As I've said before, not all of the people posting FE stuff are dumb -- some are being paid to produce content with the intent of making as many people doubt everything the hear from all their leaders to statements made by scientists and, well, everyone.  The bigest player in this game is Russia with there trolling operations and army of social media types who are there to, as I said, make the largest number of people possible mistrust everything.  Nation state players are not alone, of course, as there are industry shills that pump out self serving nonsense to confuse the public.  You may think they want us to believe there view, and they do, but they will settle for us not trusting anyone, particularly those that point out the abuses the industry engages in.

One thing to note here is the number of these channels pumping out this nonsense and how many of them are fairly new.  If any of you have any experience producing videos for YouTube you will probably know there's a lot of work that goes into it, particularly if there is some production value like graphics added.  What I find interesting is just how many videos these new channels are pumping out and doing so from day one.  Many of these channels are outputting ten or more videos every week and many of them have some significant production value to it -- this is not the work of a single unpaid individual.  Again, you see this with the channels that have been around for a while and that could be explained by there being popular and being able to hire talent to help, but how do you reconcile that with the new channels that are prodigious from day one.

One more thing ... it's not limited to FE nonsense as there are channels that pump out volumes of the most insane shit around.  There are channels where they produce tons of "Transvestigations" where they pick a celebrity or someone of note and paint them as transvestites.  I know this sounds insane and it is, but it is part or a bigger game of making us doubt everything we believe and are told.  Could this simply be religious nuts -- well maybe but not so likely.  Among the people being singled out for this treatment are people like Sully Sullenberger, the pilot that landed his plane in the Hudson and saved every single life on-board.  It is highly unlikely the religious nuts would attack him, but a nation state actor would dearly love to add a trusted figure like Sully to the ever growing list of people to be doubted.

So, we have the FE types as well as the NASA hoaxers and the 911 truthers and the Chemtrail idiots and the transvestigators and, well, the number of these types is nearly without end.  While nuts of one type or another can explain some of the nonsense we see on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter that can not explain how so many of these channels pumping out this nonsense are so prolific from day one.  Someone is backing the operation and that operation requires a team skillied at video production.  Hell, the task of finding, downloading, and editing the video clips that go into many of these videos is a task bigger than a single individual, working full time, could do.  Add in the animations and graphics and the fact becomes obvious -- much of this is the work of a team of highly skilled professionals who are paid to produce it.


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« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2018, 04:42:53 am »
but how do you reconcile that with the new channels that are prodigious from day one?
Pre-production. It's possible.
It doesn't have to be yet another conspiracy theory. I could add you up to those who "make the largest number of people possible mistrust everything". Where are we when we can not even trust that people-being-dumb are dumb-people?

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« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2018, 04:43:24 am »
I forgot to add a couple more topics that you and I would laugh at but are part of the picture of trying to get as many to doubt everything as possible.  A new theme being pushed is the idea that airplanes and many other vehicles don't actually run on fuel but instead compressed air -- I shit you not! 

And, if that isn't crazy enough for you there are channels pumping out stories that many animals are ... wait for it ... FAKE.  That's right, animals like the Tucan are fake and there over-sized bills are being added by unnamed people to fool us.  The number of animals they claim are fake is quite impressive and would suggest that the government, the deep state, is spending many tens of billions faking this stuff and doing all the chemtrials nonsense and somehow, none of the millions of people that would need to be involved have produced any evidence to support the claims.

Yes, this is insane and most of us here will see through the foolishness immediately, but a large percentage of people, for a variety of reasons, are easy meat for the disinformation artists/soldiers that are pumping this stuff out.

I will further suggest that the harm from this is much greater than most people know at this point.  The hearings in DC featuring Facebook, Twitter and Google regarding the election tampering and trolling reveal that the leaders have no idea how pervasive this is and how damaging it is already with the potential harm reaching the risk of war.  This stuff is toxic beyond plutonium!


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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2018, 04:45:06 am »
but how do you reconcile that with the new channels that are prodigious from day one?
Pre-production. It's possible.
It doesn't have to be yet another conspiracy theory. I could add you up to those who "make the largest number of people possible mistrust everything". Where are we when we can not even trust that people-being-dumb are dumb-people?


Pre-production of what?  How is an individual, without help, pumping this stuff out in volume?  How does one pre-produce hundreds of videos? 


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« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2018, 05:08:10 am »
Oh sorry that was unclear: Pre-production of entire videos. Making and uploading them private over several month and when you have enough you start to list one or two per day. Or just upload when you want to publish them
That is usually done to either kick-start a channel (who wants to subscribe to a channel with one or two videos?) or to cheat the algorithm that promotes channel that upload daily.

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« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2018, 05:13:38 am »
Oh sorry that was unclear: Pre-production of entire videos. Making and uploading them private over several month and when you have enough you start to list one or two per day. Or just upload when you want to publish them
That is usually done to either kick-start a channel (who wants to subscribe to a channel with one or two videos?) or to cheat the algorithm that promotes channel that upload daily.

OK, two things ...

First, pre-production is still production so you still have to make it.  And second, they don't simply start out with a high production rate they continue with a high production rate.

Again, this isn't, for the most part, the work of individuals...


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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2018, 05:21:14 am »
Any examples?

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« Reply #65 on: April 26, 2018, 07:05:28 am »
Any examples?


Good question...

One such asshat goes by the name Hans Wormhat and his main channel was recently closed by YT.  He has another channel on YT but is also on Vimeo.  Check this out.

https://vimeo.com/user67379413

and this

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPmJjTb8_ht_vu2QReoI7lg/videos

With videos like "Volcanoes are a Hoax" or "Platypus are FAKE. Beavers With Prostetics" or "Zebras are Painted Horses / Donkeys".  I mean, it's hard not to laugh at this, but then you look in the comments and your heart just sinks.


Another asshat goes by the name MrE and he to has had his channel, or one of his channels removed by YT. 


There's Richie from Boston

https://www.youtube.com/user/27TUBGUY/videos

Some of the highlights here ...

"Most Important TRUTH there is GEO ENGINEERING" or "Chemtrails across America, nobody is spared" or "BREAKING NOW:Plasma weapon test over California"

Look at the rate at which he's putting out videos.


There are tons of these channels and YT is getting more aggressive at deleting specific videos or entire channels.


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« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2018, 07:25:41 am »
Any examples?


Good question...

One such asshat goes by the name Hans Wormhat and his main channel was recently closed by YT.  He has another channel on YT but is also on Vimeo.  Check this out.

https://vimeo.com/user67379413

and this

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPmJjTb8_ht_vu2QReoI7lg/videos

With videos like "Volcanoes are a Hoax" or "Platypus are FAKE. Beavers With Prostetics" or "Zebras are Painted Horses / Donkeys".  I mean, it's hard not to laugh at this, but then you look in the comments and your heart just sinks.


Another asshat goes by the name MrE and he to has had his channel, or one of his channels removed by YT. 


There's Richie from Boston

https://www.youtube.com/user/27TUBGUY/videos

Some of the highlights here ...

"Most Important TRUTH there is GEO ENGINEERING" or "Chemtrails across America, nobody is spared" or "BREAKING NOW:Plasma weapon test over California"

Look at the rate at which he's putting out videos.


There are tons of these channels and YT is getting more aggressive at deleting specific videos or entire channels.


Brian
Hans Wormhat uses screen capture techniques. No effort. Same with Richie from Boston, who you can clearly see driving through Boston, I assume.

No effort involved. Can be spit out in an hour. Probably was.

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« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2018, 08:02:53 am »
All these crap videos about Earth being flat no moon landings or free energy etc are just click bait there to get money from you tube, best thing is to never watch them however amusing it may be to do so, starve the idiots out.

Has any one else noticed how most of these flat earthers and conspiracy believers hail from the USA. It is either the education system in the US or all the nut jobs of the world have emigrated there or more likely it is the any thing to for a dollar attitude that prevails.
 

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« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2018, 10:00:26 am »
Has anyone done any research on the FE club?
If they are that stupid and deceived, then who pays their rent and puts food on the table?

As mentioned earlier this is nothing new, they've been at it for the last 200 years or more, a lot of rich farts in on it too, 
and all the centuries before Copernicus flogged his theories.

Did the FE club hire a crystal ball and tipped off the internet and Youtube were coming, so they set up their FE 'trolling' machine decades ago?

Come on guys, there's an angle here with the FE crowd, otherwise they wouldn't be so stubborn,
do some homework so the sh!t sticks

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« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2018, 10:19:28 am »
if the earth was flat someone would try to inflate it:-DD
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« Reply #70 on: April 26, 2018, 10:57:45 am »
...or make a pizza  8)
 

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2018, 12:26:23 pm »
All these crap videos about Earth being flat no moon landings or free energy etc are just click bait there to get money from you tube, best thing is to never watch them however amusing it may be to do so, starve the idiots out.

Has any one else noticed how most of these flat earthers and conspiracy believers hail from the USA. It is either the education system in the US or all the nut jobs of the world have emigrated there or more likely it is the any thing to for a dollar attitude that prevails.
Yes they probably are click-bait. Mostly for us skeptics.

You say you notice how it seems they all come from the USA. That is because:
A. Your country has very little people in it compared to the USA.
B. The USA has approximately 46,598,000 people with an IQ under 85, while your country has only app. 9,377,000. The probability to come across an idiot from america is 4.97 times higher.
C. You only get english content recommended on youtube/google and don't see the nut-jobs from any other country. (They exist)
D. I think the people in the USA are generally less trusting of the sciences. (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-mistrust-of-science)

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Re: "Flat Earthers"... what the F%$# !!!
« Reply #72 on: April 26, 2018, 04:43:53 pm »
I forgot to add a couple more topics that you and I would laugh at but are part of the picture of trying to get as many to doubt everything as possible.  A new theme being pushed is the idea that airplanes and many other vehicles don't actually run on fuel but instead compressed air -- I shit you not!

These people must have never owned any vehicles...or any type of machines with engines for that matter...beyond AirHogs toys. They've clearly never used gasoline... ::)

The triggering thing is that compressed air vehicles are real science they're shitting on into conspiracy crap, making it look bad! :rant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed-air_vehicle
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« Reply #73 on: April 26, 2018, 04:48:18 pm »
C. You only get english content recommended on youtube/google and don't see the nut-jobs from any other country. (They exist)


I can attest to that. When I visited the UK I distinctly remember walking past an old bearded guy who was standing on the sidewalk energetically preaching a mix of religion and conspiracy theories to anyone who would listen.

It's not hard to believe we have more of that sort in the US though, intelligent/educated people tend to flee the middle and especially southern middle areas for the coasts leaving a disproportionately high number of less intelligent people behind to breed. A friend of mine lives in Nebraska and occasionally laments that he didn't also flee when he was younger.
 

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« Reply #74 on: April 26, 2018, 05:45:36 pm »
I Was standing next to a Chrysler Gas Turbine powered car at a Museum a few weeks ago.  The definitive experts (Ex Chrysler, Ex McDonald Douglas) were there checking on their "baby" and granted this technician a private tour behind the ropes.  I guess I asked all  the right questions. 

   A fellow walked up with his family , having drove to see the car for two days.  The  "Internet" expert was telling the increasingly angry turbine specialist that he was "wrong" on a number of things, i.e. number of the cars still existing, engine performance, fuel efficiency. number of cars still in running order, cycle times to failure, etc. 

When told to prove his claims, the quack kept saying, "Its on the Net, Its On the Net, Its on site X, that is on site Y) and he was saying this to group who had direct  access to the Chrysler Archives.  He could not cite any published reports directly.

Amazing how fast that museum  rope got closed, once I stepped out.

I blame the fact that while perhaps 75% of materials on the internet are reasonably correct, this gives credibility to the other 25% in the minds of un-educated people. Moral of the story.  It amazes me that so many people assume anything on the net is Holy Truth and Gospel.

BTW, while the turbine would run on nearly any liquid or gaseous fuel once started with kerosene, on Jet A, it does about 8 MPG.
The goal was alternative fuels, not turbines for the sake of turbines. The inefficiency was attributed to poor performance in the fluid based  torque converter.  The converter was a stock item, and not optimized.  Expecting a generation one centrifugal gas turbine to be super efficient is folly.
Yet the quacks claim the product was shelved to protect the petroleum industry.  In reality the lab program was sold to what became  General Dynamics and a future derivative of the multi-fuel engine powers the M1A tank.  The reason being Chrysler's financial condition at the time would not sustain developmental products.

Google "deep underground military bases" if you want to see even kookier conspiracy theories. 

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