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Re: Corporate BS debunked, this time RED
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2019, 09:48:23 pm »
The sensible way would be to make a list of approved enterprise grade SSDs. Ideally, also allow the use of SSDs not on the list, but in that case, the camera will warn the user that data integrity and proper operation may not be guaranteed.
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Re: Corporate BS debunked, this time RED
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2019, 10:44:16 pm »
The sensible way would be to make a list of approved enterprise grade SSDs. Ideally, also allow the use of SSDs not on the list, but in that case, the camera will warn the user that data integrity and proper operation may not be guaranteed.
Which is exactly what other vendors do.  For example:

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What CFast cards should I use with the Blackmagic URSA?
The following CFast 2.0 cards are recommended for 4K ProRes 422 HQ up to 60 fps.

Lexar Professional 3500x 64GB
Lexar Professional 3500x 64GB
Lexar Professional 3500x 128GB
Lexar Professional 3500x 256GB
Lexar Professional 3600x 128GB
Lexar Professional 3600x 256GB
SanDisk Extreme Pro. SDCFSP-128G-x46D 128GB
SanDisk Extreme Pro. SDCFSP-256G-x46D 256GB
Transcend CFX650. TS128GCFX650 128GB
Transcend CFX650. TS256GCFX650 256GB
Transcend CFX650. TS128GCFX650BM 128GB
Transcend CFX650. TS256GCFX650BM 256GB
Wise CFast 2.0 3400x 128GB
Wise CFast 2.0 3400x 256GB
Wise CFast 2.0 3500x 512GB
The following CFast 2.0 cards are recommended for 4K ProRes 422 HQ up to 60 fps but have been discontinued by the manufacturer.

Lexar Professional 3400x 32GB

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/faq/59008

And they have a software utility that you can use to test your media to see if it is fast enough, etc.

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Re: Corporate BS debunked, this time RED
« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2019, 08:45:11 am »
His accent to me is a weird mix of chinese and german (seems he's in the UK), don't mind it, he did put a ridiculous amount of effort into making the video so that helps.

You are missing the point: they lied about capacity, they lied about QA testing, they lied about quality of parts used and where they were manufactured.

"and the guys shooting on RED don't give a shit about the cost of the memory". 
They don't care about money, so why use the cheapest almost shittiest NAND flash available? Why not at the very least use an industrial grade part and conformal coat or pot it?
If they had even offered a "low end" and "pro" cartridge, with a proper SLC or RAID drive, advertised them appropriately and not made all these false claims, no one would care.
The capacity and Q&A have been addressed in this discussion. Pretty much the only real issue is their statement of where the cards are manufactured and I can't imagine that being a major issue. They seem to have misrepresented their product intentionally, but as people have pointed out the outrage seems to come from the consumers looking in from the outside.
 

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Re: Corporate BS debunked, this time RED
« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2019, 10:42:17 am »
I was really surprised to learn that such a camera, used by studios, only writes to a single disk.

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Re: Corporate BS debunked, this time RED
« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2019, 10:50:03 am »
I was really surprised to learn that such a camera, used by studios, only writes to a single disk.

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I know for a fact that dual card and write systems exist, but agreed.
 

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Re: Corporate BS debunked, this time RED
« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2019, 10:52:23 am »
The cameras are pretty good at letting you know the instant something isn’t right with the storage. It’s relatively rare to lose data and if you do, you generally know about it right away and can reshoot covered by insurance.
 

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Re: Corporate BS debunked, this time RED
« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2019, 12:45:57 pm »
The sensible way would be to make a list of approved enterprise grade SSDs. Ideally, also allow the use of SSDs not on the list, but in that case, the camera will warn the user that data integrity and proper operation may not be guaranteed.

Others are now reporting that there is some sort of check that the RED camera itself does on the drives.  It's probably simply a serial # check.  Whatever the case, if the drive isn't recognized, the camera limits the bitrate for the drive, effectively making it useless.  So it works and is recognized, but too slow to actually use.

That is where the techniques I posted above would come into play, if someone wouldn't mind experimenting with it.  I'd do it myself but I don't have any RED cameras.
 

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Re: Corporate BS debunked, this time RED
« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2019, 01:28:41 pm »
To be fair, not all SSD's handle sequential writing with a constant speed over the full disk. Secure wiping it can fix this, but who knows what manufacturers do in the firmware.
So I can understand RED doesn't just say that it can handle any mSATA disk.
 


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