3,141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820

[ErikTheNorwegian]

Today

[Rerouter]

This returned both google results for the 40000th places of pi calced and the 1 Million places for pi calced, then again i suppose as your string of numbers get longer eventually significantly sized strings of numbers will have to be repeated

[apelly]

One of Dave's recent tweets comes to mind

[electronics man]

Happy pi day everyone

[TMM]

Happy 14.3 day? Silly Americans :p

Happy Pi Month from Australia.

[GK]

Scientists in Carl Sagan’s novel Contact are able to unravel enough of pi to find hidden messages from the creators of the human race, allowing humans to access deeper levels of universal awareness.

Can't remember that bit from the movie, but I was probably tuned out of the plot before then. That film was cringe worthy from beginning to end and didn't make me want to seek out the novel. Ditto for Hitchhikers guide to a galaxy - what a crap film that was.

[TerraHertz]

http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2014/03/13/einstein-and-pi/


Also Einstein's birthday.

The 22/7 is a more accurate Pi day.

[ajb]

I didn't even realize the occasion until our administrator came around to ask everyone their pie flavor preference.  We'll be celebrating with pies from the local Amish market later  .

[Dongulus]

Happy 14.3 day? Silly Americans :p

Happy Pi Month from Australia.

Funny that so far almost exclusively members without American flags in their profile have commented about it.

[mos6502]

Happy pi day!

[Neilm]

So why, why can't I calculate pi
I just want to see the numbers 3.1415

Would I be considered boring if I point out that rounding pi to 4 DPs is 3.1416?

[TerraHertz]

Funny that so far almost exclusively members without American flags in their profile have commented about it.

Maybe something to do with this kind of thinking:
  http://beta.slashdot.org/story/96996
  111 Years Ago, Indiana Almost Legislated Pi

Attempting to establish pi as the ratio 'five-fourths to four' or 3.2.  Genius!
Even better, from a tongue-in-cheek reader-comment:
  "Blasphemy! Thats because pi to 4 decimals is 666/212 so therefore anything close real pi is of course the devils work."

[VK3DRB]

50 fun fact about pi...
A Givenchy men’s cologne named Pi is marketed as highlighting the sexual appeal of intelligent and visionary men.

They screwed up. Woman in general are not attracted to intelligence. If they had called it "Entrepreneur", women would be attracted. If they called it "Engineer" it would be sold as a repellent.

As for pi, Euler's number e is just as interesting and fascinating.

[linux-works]

today, at trader joes (grocery store that has a 'demo' section where they give samples of the featured item of the day) they were giving out samples of apple or berry pie

[GK]

Give the books a try, both books are difficult to make into film, Contact has 7,2 on IMB, and 641 on filmmakers, not bad. ?

Meh. Some might consider an author who fantasizes about being a guided product of a higher intelligence religious.
 

[arekm]

[linux-works]

Give the books a try, both books are difficult to make into film, Contact has 7,2 on IMB, and 641 on filmmakers, not bad. ?

Meh. Some might consider an author who fantasizes about being a guided product of a higher intelligence religious.
 

spiritual, maybe.  at best.

religious?  not even close.  no where did carl talk about other non-earth species being our 'creators'.  that would be the key for being a religion.  an all powerful deity that creates you.  if you don't have that, you don't have a religion.  you also typically have a 'please dont hurt or or smash us into little bits' pleading with the super entity in religion.  again, Contact had none of that.

[free_electron]

This is what i call pi !


anything else is just theoretical nonsense

[GK]

Give the books a try, both books are difficult to make into film, Contact has 7,2 on IMB, and 641 on filmmakers, not bad. ?

Meh. Some might consider an author who fantasizes about being a guided product of a higher intelligence religious.
 

spiritual, maybe.  at best.

religious?  not even close.  no where did carl talk about other non-earth species being our 'creators'.  that would be the key for being a religion.  an all powerful deity that creates you.  if you don't have that, you don't have a religion.  you also typically have a 'please dont hurt or or smash us into little bits' pleading with the super entity in religion.  again, Contact had none of that.

LOL. So Buddhism isn't a religion then?
 

[linux-works]

I'm not sure its a religion; quite a lot of people think its a philosophy.  I'm no expert but: does it have a deity?  my understanding is that its not deity-based.

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/philosophy.htm

I would not call it a religion.

[IanB]

Getting a bit off topic here I guess, but religion is basically a set of taught beliefs you follow because they are right, where right is determined by things written down, or things conveyed by people that came before. In a religion you cannot choose your own definition of right, unless you found your own religion. If you follow an existing religion you must accept what you are taught. Nothing anywhere says that religion has to have a deity, except that in theistic religions the deity is thought to be the original source of what is taught.

[linux-works]

Getting a bit off topic here I guess, but religion is basically a set of taught beliefs you follow because they are right, where right is determined by things written down, or things conveyed by people that came before.

no mention of a 'god' there?  this does not sound like an accurate or complete defintion.

how does this differ from a philosophy, then?  I can have a 'way of life' I think is correct and several others can all agree, but if there is no 'god' then there is NO religion here.

In a religion you cannot choose your own definition of right, unless you found your own religion.

and that happens enough, and so I don't see the utility in this definition.  there are lots of different forks or branches of christianity, for example, and they often have very different (and locally assigned) views of what is 'right'.

If you follow an existing religion you must accept what you are taught.

I think you are too engrossed in what christianity is.  in judaism, for example, its quite ok to argue (based on your view of talmud or torah, for example) and no one can contradict you!  there is no notion of pope or higher authority.  even a rabii is mostly an 'advisor' and not an absolute.  everything is challengable.

other religions also don't force you to swallow things line by line from a central authority.

Nothing anywhere says that religion has to have a deity, except that in theistic religions the deity is thought to be the original source of what is taught.

the commonly held definition DOES include a god and its essential for what makes the diff between a way of life and a religion.  there are a few ways to define what 'religion' is but the most common that I've heard is that it has to include the notion of a god or gods.

[IanB]

I think you are too engrossed in what christianity is

Where did I mention Christianity? The fact that you bring it up, unprompted, means that Christianity is in your mind, not mine.

[GK]

quite a lot of people think its a philosophy.  I'm no expert but: does it have a deity?  my understanding is that its not deity-based

And a lot of people think that angels exist, so what? It's mostly the religious (competitively non-Buddhist) who insist that it isn't a religion. Where is the obvious delineation between a philosophy and religion and since when does merely a "philosophy" necessarily involve the communal and political aspect, the mysticism and all of the spiritualist drivel that Buddhism has entirely in common with virtually every other organized religion? Buddhism is a non-theistic religion.

Though neither a Buddhist nor Christian, Carl Sagan was definitely a religious man. And don't retort again with some crap about him possibly being merely "spiritual"; as if that in reality is actually something different.
 



 


     

[linux-works]

"The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity." -Carl Sagan

sorry, dude; that does not sound like a person who is either religious OR believes in any conventional notion of god.

as much as you may want him to believe in god, he was not a god believer.  he was not religious, either.  sorry.

[GK]

"The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity." -Carl Sagan

sorry, dude; that does not sound like a person who is either religious OR believes in any conventional notion of god.

as much as you may want him to believe in god, he was not a god believer.  he was not religious, either.  sorry.

 

I do not believe, nor do I want to believe that Carl Sagan believed in God. You really have an extraordinarily narrow and immature view of what it means to be religious. Secondly, I am not religious, nor do I consider being religious a virtue. I find a significant chunk of Sagan's writing to be borderline mysticism and every bit as nauseating (just for example) as Bertrand Russells Free mans worship.

In Sagan's case; all that sincere and earnest, but grandiose piffle about his depth of wonder over the expansiveness ("billions and billions", etc) of the cosmos as an implied path to truth or a degree of wisdom that will make any like minded individual a more egalitarian and open-minded human being. I'm with Russell on the fact that it is slavish and absurd to admire the universe for its size. Fortunately Russell's personal religiosity (which he battled with for a large part of his life) didn't extend that far.

Now I don't know about you, or any other devout and impassioned admirer/follower of Carl Sagan, but to me the workings of the cosmos much beyond the earths atmosphere and contemplation thereof has little relevance to the formulation of my own personal morality or how I choose to relate to my fellow man (or woman). For example, I don't refrain from killing people just because I realize that (Sagan's evangelical words) ".... in the whole of the universe you will not find another (human begin)" - I be scarily stupid if I did, as would anyone else.

The traditional dogmas of religion, especially where science is concerned, can be dismissed as there isn't any evidence that stacks up for believing them to be true. There really isn't much else to be said about that. I think any inquisitive individual truly lacking in impulses to spirituality simply seeks knowledge about the physical workings of the world/cosmos/whatever to satisfy his or her naturally evolved, in-born curiosity. Sufficient developed and nurtured that curiosity alone can be a powerful enough driving force to knowledge and consequently greater wisdom; and therein has its own inherent value and moral justification. For lack of a better term I almost consider it sinful to try (counter productively) to embellish such with spiritualist bullshit.

And having said that I think that there are more than enough terrestrial curiosities to occupy any one inquisitive individual their entire lifetime, without ever having to give so much as a flying fudge about how many "billions and billions" of stars there may be out there.



 


 

[linux-works]

You really have an extraordinarily narrow and immature view of what it means to be religious.

are you referring to me, by any chance?

immature?  why do you say that?  sounds insulting.  was that your intention?

I simply found some quotes from sagan and posted one that seemed to apply.  not sure why this was 'immature'.

sagan had an appreciation for how vast the universe was.  he was in awe of it.  but this has absolutely nothing to do with belief in a superpower and nothing that I've read or heard him say indicates he had any religious belief at all.  he was definitely a man of science and didn't go in for any supernatural 'explanations'.

[free_electron]

When god created man, she was only kidding !

[GK]

I simply found some quotes from sagan and posted one that seemed to apply.  not sure why this was 'immature'.

The quotes didn't apply, nor did they support your conclusion.

I maintain that Sagan was a religious man, but the sense in which he was religious, which I have already party articulated, is something that I don't think you have the capacity to understand.
 

[c4757p]

Why don't y'all shut up and have a piece of pie?

Shit, I was hoping to find something interesting when I clicked this thread.

Who gives a flying fart whether Sagan was religious or not, and what the fuck does that have to do with pi?

[linux-works]

I maintain that Sagan was a religious man, but the sense in which he was religious, which I have already party articulated, is something that I don't think you have the capacity to understand.

I see.

so, its insults that you need to resort to, for some reason?  maybe you are just having a bad day.  I'd like to think that's what's going on, here.

[GK]

I'd like to think that's what's going on, here.

LOL... Well if that makes you feel a little less uncomfortable................

[linux-works]

since there seems to be some question about what the word 'religion' means, let me google that for you, so to speak:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

: the belief in a god or in a group of gods

: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

numbers 1 and 2 all require a god to be part of the belief system.  #3 is less common.

perhaps our different backgrounds is what is causing the disconnect.  but I still stand by the use of definitions #1 and #2.  and if you can trust this source for what words mean, then carl sagan was *not* religious.

I reject #3 as a valid defintion as, for example, an activity that is 'very important to me' is eating and sleeping and, well, a bunch of other things that are by all accounts, not related to religion.  washing up before going to work is also 'very important to a group' (your co-workers) and yet no one would call that a religion.

maybe where you come from, the word has a different set of meanings.  where I grew up (the US) #1 and #2 are the established definitions.

and so, I continue to state that by this definition, sagan was in no way religious.

[GK]

since there seems to be some question about what the word 'religion' means, let me google that for you, so to speak:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

: the belief in a god or in a group of gods

: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

numbers 1 and 2 all require a god to be part of the belief system.  #3 is less common.

perhaps our different backgrounds is what is causing the disconnect.  but I still stand by the use of definitions #1 and #2.  and if you can trust this source for what words mean, then carl sagan was *not* religious.

I reject #3 as a valid defintion as, for example, an activity that is 'very important to me' is eating and sleeping and, well, a bunch of other things that are by all accounts, not related to religion.  washing up before going to work is also 'very important to a group' (your co-workers) and yet no one would call that a religion.

maybe where you come from, the word has a different set of meanings.  where I grew up (the US) #1 and #2 are the established definitions.

and so, I continue to state that by this definition, sagan was in no way religious.

 

You can continue to cite a narrow definition that was never claimed, but you are just talking to and convincing yourself.

This is most likely a complete waste of time, but please try to articulate in non-anthropomorphizing and non-spiritual terms why anyone should actually, truly, be "in awe" of the universe.


 

[linux-works]

no, I am not going to play your game.  you are not a person to continue on with.  you won't accept common defintions of words, you get bent out of shape too easily and you are no fun to play with.

so there.

[GK]

no, I am not going to play your game.  you are not a person to continue on with.  you won't accept common defintions of words, you get bent out of shape too easily and you are no fun to play with.

so there.

Well that was an entirely predictable response. I'm certainly not bent out of shape. Not sure what gives you that impression, besides perhaps some degree of projection. I'm not playing a game either. The question I asked was a serious one.

[echen1024]

no, I am not going to play your game.  you are not a person to continue on with.  you won't accept common defintions of words, you get bent out of shape too easily and you are no fun to play with.

so there.

Well that was an entirely predictable response. I'm certainly not bent out of shape. Not sure what gives you that impression, besides perhaps some degree of projection. I'm not playing a game either. The question I asked was a serious one.

If you can link that quote to Pi (3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399...), I will personally make a pie while singing the Star Spangled Banner (filmed, on USB Drive) and fly to wherever you live and have Pie and Lemonade with you.

[GK]

no, I am not going to play your game.  you are not a person to continue on with.  you won't accept common defintions of words, you get bent out of shape too easily and you are no fun to play with.

so there.

Well that was an entirely predictable response. I'm certainly not bent out of shape. Not sure what gives you that impression, besides perhaps some degree of projection. I'm not playing a game either. The question I asked was a serious one.

If you can link that quote to Pi (3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399...), I will personally make a pie while singing the Star Spangled Banner (filmed, on USB Drive) and fly to wherever you live and have Pie and Lemonade with you.

Well that is easy. The decimal representation of Pi never ends. Consequently Pi is infinite. Current cosmological understanding (alternate universes aside) has it that the size of the universe is actually finite, though continually expanding. So, therefore, in a way, Pi is bigger than the universe - a fact, no doubt, making Pi no less worthy of our reverence and awe than that of the cosmos itself. I'm not sure, however, that a multi-part documentary entitled Pi; billions and Billions of decimal places would have been quite as popular.

I prefer Coca Cola.
 

 
   

[GEuser]

I was born on the 14/3 but conceived at 3.14AM 9 months earlier and since in 1957 makes me 57 that's 5757 so I know all about pie , pie is a calculation , I'm famous don't you know , but I actually do not want to join this argument but just want to type

Pie and the universe , one assumes its a circle in which is presumptuous just as much as there is a G , what if its a Square!

[HighVoltage]

I found most interesting, that some politicians thought PI needs to be a round number and made the law to reflect PI to be 3.00
It was somewhere in the USA, a long long time ago.

On a more serious note, there is a German Mathematician, who solved the pattern of PI and his work is almost unknown
His name is Peter Plichta
His Book title is:
God's Secret Formula: Deciphering the Riddle of the Universe and the Prime Number Code
http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Secret-Formula-Deciphering-Universe/dp/1862040141/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394968584&sr=8-1&keywords=Peter+Plichta

It is a good read for all who are interested in math and numbers and larger pictures

[GEuser]

 

I think this discission is starting to go in circles, maybee back to its origin, PI.

The irony of circles  and spell errors > disc  ission

The word Pisces must have derived from PI i would guess , another FunFact? , March the month , The 2 Fish and Fish Pie ? but only 2 fish , maybe or I gather a male/female fish for propagation like the Replicators in the old StarGate tv series ....

[GEuser]

I think this discission is starting to go in circles, maybee back to its origin, PI.

The irony of circles  and spell errors > disc  ission

The word Pisces must have derived from PI i would guess , another FunFact? , March the month , The 2 Fish and Fish Pie ? but only 2 fish , maybe or I gather a male/female fish for propagation like the Replicators in the old StarGate tv series ....

Laying on my back and fighting my sony experia With the Norwegian speller taking Control is not easy, can bring havoc to every ting i Write. Puting in large letters at randomits a fight.

Yes ok I meant no offense as circles disc and PI connections , actually I might have even thought it was deliberate word play

Like for instance that Pisces word , PI sces but as since as I'm aware of a similar word from the old days like ses (to say in todays terminology) , Pises , PI says ! , also like this one style from old > "Open Sesame" in Alibaba and the 40 thieves fairy-tale in which its the Secret code to open the door , , O Pen Ses A Me , as in something saying the Pen says it all via the Pen operator  ... fiddle around with it more and one can get Opens E Same .

What if there actually is a program out there in which means here also which is the PI , a circle in a Square , also if out there had not 64bit but say 1000000 bit or whatever and those PI numbers were each digitized singularly what a big load of zero's and 1's that would be aye , I wonder if they use a AMD processor or maybe a biological one?

Ramble over but I did find some of those connections in the 50 fun-facts fascinating ..

edited/added , I forgot to add  , "c" that Pisces word , C it , using the left over letter , and they be heaps around in all sort of books ..

[mos6502]

Well that is easy. The decimal representation of Pi never ends. Consequently Pi is infinite. Current cosmological understanding (alternate universes aside) has it that the size of the universe is actually finite, though continually expanding. So, therefore, in a way, Pi is bigger than the universe - a fact, no doubt, making Pi no less worthy of our reverence and awe than that of the cosmos itself. I'm not sure, however, that a multi-part documentary entitled Pi; billions and Billions of decimal places would have been quite as popular.

I prefer Coca Cola.

Wrong. Pi is most certainly not infinite. It's a precise value - the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. The only special thing about it is that it's irrational, that is, it can't be expressed as a ratio of whole numbers. Only because the decimal representation of this number requires an infinite number of digits, doesn't mean that the number itself is in any way infinite, it's just that our way of representing it is inadequate. Pi is a precise point on the real number line.

It's just like the square root of two, which is the ratio of the diameter of a square to one of its sides. It's also irrational. You wouldn't say that sqrt(2) is "infinite", would you?

[GK]

Well that is easy. The decimal representation of Pi never ends. Consequently Pi is infinite. Current cosmological understanding (alternate universes aside) has it that the size of the universe is actually finite, though continually expanding. So, therefore, in a way, Pi is bigger than the universe - a fact, no doubt, making Pi no less worthy of our reverence and awe than that of the cosmos itself. I'm not sure, however, that a multi-part documentary entitled Pi; billions and Billions of decimal places would have been quite as popular.

I prefer Coca Cola.

Wrong. Pi is most certainly not infinite. It's a precise value - the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. The only special thing about it is that it's irrational, that is, it can't be expressed as a ratio of whole numbers. Only because the decimal representation of this number requires an infinite number of digits, doesn't mean that the number itself is in any way infinite, it's just that our way of representing it is inadequate. Pi is a precise point on the real number line.

It's just like the square root of two, which is the ratio of the diameter of a square to one of its sides. It's also irrational. You wouldn't say that sqrt(2) is "infinite", would you?

OH NO! My whole world view is coming a crashing down!
You do realize that reply was kinda tongue-in-cheek, right?

[GK]

It is a good read for all who are interested in math and numbers and larger pictures

"Holding doctorates in chemistry, physics and biology, Peter Plichta applies his multifaceted scientific knowledge to the search for a universal building plan and makes a profound discovery. Plichta shows how a mathematical formula based on prime numbers underlies the mystery of the world. By decoding this fundamental numerical code, Plichta answers questions that have baffled mankind for ages and proves that the universe did not arise out of chance."


That doesn't sound very promising. Perhaps you have misplaced your Baloney Detection Kit.

[HighVoltage]

It is a good read for all who are interested in math and numbers and larger pictures

"Holding doctorates in chemistry, physics and biology, Peter Plichta applies his multifaceted scientific knowledge to the search for a universal building plan and makes a profound discovery. Plichta shows how a mathematical formula based on prime numbers underlies the mystery of the world. By decoding this fundamental numerical code, Plichta answers questions that have baffled mankind for ages and proves that the universe did not arise out of chance."
That doesn't sound very promising.

He actually became famous for developing a fuel, based on sand (silicon) and should have received the Nobel price for in it Chemistry.
Just reading his short bio on his website is kind of facinating.
www.plichta.de

[GK]

"The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity." -Carl Sagan

BTW, since I have nothing better to do this evening, it’s worth continuing on to point out that you have plucked out a really great Sagan quote right there. It is an excellent example of his intellectual dishonesty whenever it came to the question of religion and his own personal religiosity.

If the collective laws of nature can be called God, then, by logical extension, the cosmos is clearly Gods creation. Anyone involved in science will tell you that the fundamental mechanism of advancement is a dispassionate weighting/rejection/reformulation of hypotheses based on empirical and measured evidence rather than emotional biases. With that in mind Carl's above quoted statement of dispassion over the laws of nature and the universe would certainly be a cause for admiration, if only it were remotely believable.

Contrast the above to this quotation taken from Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space:

“How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant?” Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.”

This short excerpt is typical Sagan mysticism. So long as we don’t call the universe or the laws that govern it “God”, from it we can derive for ourselves a state of reverence and awe more profoundly holy than that of any believer!

I liked the basic structure of Cosmos, exploring the development civilization as established dogmas give way to scientific discovery. The problem however, and IMO a serious one, was that Sagan wasn’t just content to explain how science rendered the traditional dogmas of religion obsolete, which is where any discussion of God and religion should have ended. Instead he devoted his literary efforts to formulating a narrative in which science serves as a substitute for the emotional impulses satisfied by religion. As whole I believe that to have been a disservice to science, but I do think that it has had more to do with his popularity and the success of his writings than anything else.

[electrolux]

50 fun fact about pi...


Pi is the most recognized mathematical constant in the world. Scholars often consider Pi the most important and intriguing number in all of mathematics.

In the Star Trek episode “Wolf in the Fold,” Spock foils the evil computer by commanding it to “compute to last digit the value of pi.”Comedian John Evans once quipped: “What do you get if you divide the circumference of a jack-o'-lantern by its diameter? Pumpkin ?.”

Scientists in Carl Sagan’s novel Contact are able to unravel enough of pi to find hidden messages from the creators of the human race, allowing humans to access deeper levels of universal awareness.

The symbol for pi (?) has been used regularly in its mathematical sense only for the past 250 years.

During the famed O.J. Simpson trial, there were arguments between defense attorney Robert Blasier and an FBI agent about the actual value of pi, seemingly to reveal flaws in the FBI agent’s intellectual acumen.

A Givenchy men’s cologne named Pi is marketed as highlighting the sexual appeal of intelligent and visionary men.

We can never truly measure the circumference or the area of a circle because we can never truly know the value of pi. Pi is an irrational number, meaning its digits go on forever in a seemingly random sequence.

Darren Aronofsky’s fascinating movie ? (Pi: Faith in Chaos) shows how the main character’s attempt to find simple answers about pi (and, by extension, the universe) drives him mad. The film won the Directing Award at the 1988 Sundance Film Festival.
      
Both ? and the letter p are the sixteenth letter in the Greek and English alphabets, respectively
   
In the Greek alphabet, ? (piwas) is the sixteenth letter. In the English alphabet, p is also the sixteenth letter.


The letter ? is the first letter of the Greek word “periphery” and “perimeter.” The symbol ? in mathematics represents the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter.In other words, ? is the number of times a circle’s diameter will fit around its circumference.

Egyptologists and followers of mysticism have been fascinated for centuries by the fact that the Great Pyramid at Giza seems to approximate pi. The vertical height of the pyramid has the same relationship to the perimeter of its base as the radius of a circle has to its circumference.

The first 144 digits of pi add up to 666 (which many scholars say is “the mark of the Beast”). And 144 = (6+6) x (6+6).

If the circumference of the earth were calculated using ? rounded to only the ninth decimal place, an error of no more than one quarter of an inch in 25,000 miles would result.

In 1995, Hiroyoki Gotu memorized 42,195 places of pi and is considered the current pi champion. Some scholars speculate that Japanese is better suited than other languages for memorizing sequences of numbers.

A mysterious 2008 crop circle in Britain shows a coded image representing the first 10 digits of pi.

Ludolph van Ceulen (1540-1610) spent most of his life calculating the first 36 digits of pi (which were named the Ludolphine Number). According to legend, these numbers were engraved on his now lost tombstone.

William Shanks (1812-1882) worked for years by hand to find the first 707 digits of pi. Unfortunately, he made a mistake after the 527th place and, consequently, the following digits were all wrong.

It took a Hitachi SR 8000 supercomputer over 400 hours to compute pi to 1.24 trillion digits

In 2002, a Japanese scientist found 1.24 trillion digits of pi using a powerful computer called the Hitachi SR 8000, breaking all previous records.

Pi is the secret code in Alfred Hitchcock’s Torn Curtain and in The Net starring Sandra Bullock.

Since there are 360 degrees in a circle and pi is intimately connected with the circle, some mathematicians were delighted to discover that the number 360 is at the 359th digit position of pi.

Computing pi is a stress test for a computer—a kind of “digital cardiogram.”

Umberto Eco’s famed book Foucault’s Pendulum associates the mysterious pendulum in the novel with the intrigue of pi.

Pi has been studied by the human race for almost 4,000 years. By 2000 B.C., Babylonians established the constant circle ratio as 3-1/8 or 3.125. The ancient Egyptians arrived at a slightly different value of 3-1/7 or 3.143.

One of the earliest known records of pi was written by an Egyptian scribe named Ahmes (c. 1650 B.C.) on what is now known as the Rhind Papyrus. He was off by less than 1% of the modern approximation of pi (3.141592).

The Rhind Papyrus was the first attempt to calculate pi by “squaring the circle,” which is to measure the diameter of a circle by building a square inside the circle.

The “squaring the circle” method of understanding pi has fascinated mathematicians because traditionally the circle represents the infinite, immeasurable, and even spiritual world while the square represents the manifest, measurable, and comprehensive world.

In 1888, a Indiana country doctor named Edwin Goodwin claimed he had been “supernaturally taught” the exact measure of the circle and even had a bill proposed in the Indiana legislature that would copyright his mathematical findings. The bill never became law thanks to a mathematical professor in the legislature who pointed out that the method resulted in an incorrect value of pi.

The first million decimal places of pi consist of 99,959 zeros, 99,758 1s, 100,026 2s, 100,229 3s, 100,230 4s, 100,359 5s, 99,548 6s, 99,800 7s, 99,985 8s, and 100,106 9s.

Albert Einstein, was born on Pi Day (3/14/1879)  (Fun fackt- Eistein had two stones, Hitler one)

”Pi Day” is celebrated on March 14 (which was chosen because it resembles 3.14). The official celebration begins at 1:59 p.m., to make an appropriate 3.14159 when combined with the date. Albert Einstein was born on Pi Day (3/14/1879) in Ulm Wurttemberg, Germany.

The Bible alludes to pi in 1 Kings 7:23 where it describes the altar inside Solomon’s temple: “And he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim . . . and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.” These measurements procure the following equation: 333/106 = 3.141509.

Pi was first rigorously calculated by one of the greatest mathematicians of the ancient world, Archimedes of Syracuse (287-212 B.C.). Archimedes was so engrossed in his work that he did not notice that Roman soldiers had taken the Greek city of Syracuse. When a Roman soldier approached him, he yelled in Greek “Do not touch my circles!” The Roman soldier simply cut off his head and went on his business.

A refined value of pi was obtained by the Chinese much earlier than in the West. The Chinese had two advantages over most of the world: they used decimal notations and they used a symbol for zero. European mathematicians would not use a symbolic zero until the late Middle Ages through contact with Indian and Arabic thinkers.

Al-Khwarizmi, who lived in Baghdad around A.D. 800, worked on a value of pi calculated to four digits: 3.1416. The term “algorithm” derives from his name, and his text Kitab al-Jabr wal-Muqabala (The Book of Completion Concerning Calculating by Transposition and Reduction) gives us the word “algebra” (from al-Jabr, which means “completion” or “restoration”).

Ancient mathematicians tried to compute pi by inscribing polygons with more and more sides that would more closely approach the area of a circle. Archimedes used a 96-sided polygon. Chinese mathematicians Liu Hui inscribed a 192-sided polygon and then a 3,072-sided polygon to calculate pi to 3.14159. Tsu Ch’ung and his son inscribed polygons with as many as 24,576 sides to calculate pi (the result had only an 8-millionth of 1% difference from the now accepted value of pi).

William Jones (1675-1749) introduced the symbol “?” in the 1706, and it was later popularized by Leonhard Euler (1707-1783) in 1737.

The ? symbol came into standard use in the 1700s, the Arabs invented the decimal system in A.D. 1000, and the equal sign (=) appeared in 1557.

Before the ? symbol was used, mathematicians would describe pi in round-about ways such as “quantitas, in quam cum multipliectur diameter, proveniet circumferential,” which means “the quantity which, when the diameter is multiplied by it, yields the circumference.”

Leonardo da Vinci briefly worked on ”squaring the circle” or approximating pi
   
Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) and artist Albrecht Durer (1471-1528) both briefly worked on “squaring the circle,” or approximating pi.

There are no occurrences of the sequence 123456 in the first million digits of pi—but of the eight 12345s that do occur, three are followed by another 5. The sequence 012345 occurs twice and, in both cases, it is followed by another 5.

Some scholars claim that humans are programmed to find patterns in the world because it’s the only way we can give meaning to the world and ourselves. Hence, the obsessive search to find patterns in ?.

The father of calculus (meaning “pebble used in counting” from calx or “limestone”), Isaac Newton calculated pi to at least 16 decimal places.

Pi is also referred to as the “circular constant,” “Archimedes’ constant,” or “Ludolph’s number.”

In the seventeenth century, pi was freed from the circle and applied also to curves, such as arches and hypocycloids, when it was found that their areas could also be expressed in terms of pi. In the twentieth century, pi has been used in many areas, such as number theory, probability, and chaos theory.

The first six digits of pi (314159) appear in order at least six times among the first 10 million decimal places of pi.

Thirty-nine decimal places of pi suffice for computing the circumference of a circle girding the known universe with an error no greater than the radius of a hydrogen atom.

John Donne’s (1572-1631) poem “Upon the Translations of the Psalms by Sir Philip Sidney, and the Countess of Pembroke, His Sister” condemns attempts to find an exact value of pi, or to “square a circle,” which Donne views as an attempt to rationalize God:

    Eternal God—for whom who ever dare
    Seek new expressions, do the circle square,
    And thrust into straight corners of poor wit
    Thee, who art cornerless and infinite—

Many mathematicians claim that it is more correct to say that a circle has an infinite number of corners than to view a circle as being cornerless.e
    Plato (427-348 B.C.) supposedly obtained for his day a fairly accurate value for pi: ?2 + ?3 = 3.146.a
    A Web site titled “The Pi-Search Page” finds a person’s birthday and other well known numbers in the digits of pi.


References

a Arndt, Jörg and Christoph Haenel. 2001. Pi Unleashed. Trans. Catriona and David Lischka. New York, NY: Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg.

b “Baffling Crop Circles Equal Pi.” Metro.co.uk. June 18, 2008. Accessed: June 15, 2009.

c Beckmann, Petr. 1971. A History of Pi. New York, NY: Golem Press.

d Blatner, David. 1997. The Joy of Pi. New York, NY: Walker Publishing Company.

e Brown, James Robert. 2008. Philosophy of Mathematics: A Contemporary Introduction to the World of Proofs and Pictures. 2nd ed. New York, NY: Routledge.

f Maor, Eli. 1987. To Infinity and Beyond: A Cultural History of the Infinite. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press.

g “Pi: Faith in Chaos.” IMDB.com. Accessed: June 15, 2009.

h “Pi by Givenchy.” Basenotes.com. Accessed: June 14, 2009.

i Pickover, Clifford A. Keys to Infinity. Denver, CO: John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

j The Pi-Search Page. Updated April 17, 2006. Accessed: June 15, 2009.

k Tubbs, Robert. 2009. What Is a Number?: Mathematical Concepts and Their Origins. Baltimore, MD: The John Hopkins University Press.
l Zebrowski, Ernest, Jr. 1999. A History of the Circle: Mathematical Reasoning and the Physical Universe. New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University Press.

Sorry post too long I get confused reading it.

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The first few digits of PI here we go WHOO

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if you want to see the first 100'000 go to http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~huberty/math5337/groupe/digits.html

[GK]

He actually became famous for developing a fuel, based on sand (silicon) and should have received the Nobel price for in it Chemistry.
Just reading his short bio on his website is kind of facinating.
www.plichta.de

I do like the way you choose to discuss this guys supposed credentials as a way of skirting around the problem of discussing with credibility the content of his kooky book that you are trying to promote.


And WTF is "the mystery of the world" anyway? I thought the mysteries of the world were innumerable. So this pretentious prat has figured out the unified theory for everything by finding patterns in prime numbers? Did I read that blurb right?

[electrolux]

The first few digits of PI here we go WHOO

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if you want to see the first 100'000 go to http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~huberty/math5337/groupe/digits.html

Shouldnt you rounded of that last digit ? 

Nah can't be bothered because I forgot what it means!

[Galenbo]

I don't believe in Pi, it's wrong.

http://tauday.com/

waiting for 28 june 2014

[c4757p]

I don't believe in Pi, it's wrong.

http://tauday.com/

waiting for 28 june 2014

I'll take as many days of mathematical celebration as I can find, thank you very much!

Pi and tau are both boring anyway, I want e day and i day...

[Rigby]

What's the method of the day to compute pi on a PC?  All the software I'm finding is old and single-threaded.

edit: I'll settle for new and single threaded, by the way.  Just looking for something modern.  PiFast crashes for some reason.

[Psi]

I cant take it any longer...

The thread title that is, the number is wrong because he didn't round to the last DP 
(Should be 1 (not 0) because next digit is 7)

I have to look at it every day in the new posts list

[kolonelkadat]

If you play Pi, translate it to the keys on a piano, this is what you get..

Hey that was clever! I wonder if it is real? as I'm not a musician or mathematical

im sure its real. The mapping he used for the numbers is a standard scale called "A harmonic minor" (or "C major sharp 5" if you prefer). In basic terms those notes all go together, so you can pretty much play any one you want.
The only real trick is the use of his left hand to create enough passing tones that you dont notice how jarring some of the steps are.

[GK]

With the aid of Pi I created a virtual woman's bust on my oscilloscope screen (isometric view). Even so it was just an experiment in applying some analog computing principles I probably do need to get out a bit more.

[electrolux]

This is what i call pi !


anything else is just theoretical nonsense

True, Kind of Thats abrilliant pic.