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| jonovid:
recently google ,microsoft and others have started pushing two step verifications and having an obsession with security. :scared: as if it was a big threat to them. as a non-phone owner. I never asked for this level of security. I never asked for more verifications its like a door to door salesman selling padlocks but he has the master key. when your front door already has a lock & door-key. salesman is saying you need a padlock too. what ever happened to using your personal profile as verification. URL- known location & known activitys. this has worked for yrs no problem at all until mid 2020 then the paranoia started from them. the two step verification USB thumb drive 2FA security key so its it a scame another bit of hardware to buy, another online financial parasite? just as a phone can also be a financial parasite. what if this 2FA thing locks me out of my own hardware? or if it locks me out of my own online accidents? security is a two way street. it can lock you out of your own abode if it fails to work. my point is the obsession with security is not coming from us users, but google , microsoft & apple Inc who are the paranoid users, that say we want this. |
| tszaboo:
I read a study, that 2FA makes accounts 2x safer. I'm more upset about rules for passwords, that is really getting out of hand. |
| metebalci:
2FA is not new, eg. SIM cards, ATM cards. Password (something you know) is I think a strange concept for security, it can be stolen easily and remotely, without even realizing it has been stolen. Also you cannot memorize so many different passwords, so you will reuse them, making the issue even worse. In a non online world, password might be enough but at the moment it is not. I think the actual issue is how to make 2FA more transparent to user, eg by using biometrics and secure environments in mobile devices. |
| jonovid:
if I need one of them USB thumb drive 2FA verification keys how do I know if its trustworthy? they are not free! its a bit like buying a crypto wallet, is the USB thumb drive 2FA inline retailers site trustworthy? will Google , Microsoft & apple Inc find it acceptable. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---I'm more upset about rules for passwords, that is really getting out of hand. --- End quote --- No kidding. I have to use a system where the password must be >12 characters, contain letters, numbers, caps (but fortunately no punctuation, yet), and can't be one that's been used before. And you get forced to change it every 4 weeks. Sometimes I want to cry. Meanwhile, if I log into Starling bank online it needs the app on my phone to say that's OK, so first I need to authenticate with that app (fingerprint), then it tells the website I am me and the website then shows a QR code which the app then uses the phone camera to verify, and then I am in. It's probably quite secure and, on the whole, preferable to having to stick a debit card into a card reader (neither of which I typically have with me when I want to do online banking). |
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