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Offline G7PSK

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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2012, 09:30:57 pm »
That diagram for how the buildings came down is absolute crap. Any one who believes this rubbish needs their head read.
 

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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2012, 09:36:21 pm »
Dear Slobodan:

--Thanks for posting the link as text, I can now see it. I will review you pictures, and I will view as much of the video as I can stand, and get back to you with my comments.

--Just out of curiosity, do happen to know what the weight, and yield of the supposed nuclear devices, would have been? And, why did the dust from the explosion show no sign of radioactive isotopes, which have been found at the site of all nuclear explosions, that we know of.

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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2012, 09:43:04 pm »
Next thread is gonna be about how the nazi's are on the moon or how Elvis is alive and living together with his best pal Tupac in Atlantis.

The Nazis ARE on the moon!  Don't you watch Fox News?!  Why do you think we haven't been back to the moon?  They first discovered an atmosphere, and then the few subsequent trips were to transport the Nazis and their gear.  Of course, the first "landing" in 1969 was fake.  But all the others were real.
 

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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2012, 09:52:13 pm »
That diagram for how the buildings came down is absolute crap. Any one who believes this rubbish needs their head read.

It is difficult to understand it just from the diagram. I can never explain it to you as well as it is all explained in the video.

Dear Slobodan:

--Thanks for posting the link as text, I can now see it. I will review you pictures, and I will view as much of the video as I can stand, and get back to you with my comments.

--Just out of curiosity, do happen to know what the weight, and yield of the supposed nuclear devices, would have been? And, why did the dust from the explosion show no sign of radioactive isotopes, which have been found at the site of all nuclear explosions, that we know of.

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The 150KT nuclear explosion makes cavity 100 meters in diameter. I am so sorry, but I don't remember all the facts in the video but all of your questions are answered in it.
 

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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2012, 09:56:38 pm »
Dear Monkeh:

--If you reread my post carefully, I think that you will find that I was not advocating that people generally "have to" I.E. be forced to malform all of of their posts, generally.

--You see, for whatever reason, I am unable to see the link posted by Slobodan, and my thought was that perhaps if the link were posted as text, it might the get through, and I would be able to reconstruct it on this side, and then view it. This is a common practice, often used when servers delete hot links, for what ever reason.

--So, I hope that you will see that this was a relatively simple, polite, one time request, made to only one person, and made only, so that I will be able to see the video, and that I was in no way advocating that people "should have to malform their posts".

--I now see that Slobodan has been kind enough to repost the link in the manner which I described, and I can now see it. I sincerely hope this explains everything, for you in a satisfactory manner.

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Wow, do I hate reading your long winded posts to say all of ten words.

My post was a simply worded suggestion that you look into why you can't see the link.
 

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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2012, 10:45:32 pm »
Greetings EEVBees:

--Just in case anyone is tempted to believe MikeK's attempt to assume into the record, facts that are not in evidence, I can state categorically that Fox News has never stated that the German National Socialist Workers Party is, or ever has been on the Moon.

--One might note that Fox News, though it has an admitted conservative bent in its editorial policy, clearly distinguishes editorial comment from straight news. Its news division has never been caught doing the sort or things that CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, NY Times and MSNBC, to mention a few have been caught doing in the Treyvon Martin case. Fox news has never been caught forging documents (Dan Rather), planting ignitors  in pickup trucks to force them to catch on fire (ABC), nor has Fox News ever been forced to retract a story saying the the US Army used Nerve Gas Weapons on deserters (CNN). Shows like Sean Hannity are clearly labeled as editorial content and not as news content. Also, Fox has 12 full time editorial/opinion corespondents from the left side of things; among them Eleanor Clift, Juan Williams, and Gloria Borger.

--Those who like MikeK are unhappy with Fox News might be happier watching MSNBC where they have Al Sharpton of "Tawana Brawley" fame, who has been personally involved in inciting two different riots in NY NY where innocent Jewish people were lynched. Yes MSNBC where they mention everyday how the US economy is getting better, and how disagreeing with the Administration about anything whatsoever is racist. MSNBC where Ed Schultz makes quips about taking Dick Cheney's heart out and kicking it around for a while before putting it back in. Yes, If you do not like Fox News, and you think all of the major networks are right wing or at best wishy washy, then  MSNBC might be just the network for you.

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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2012, 11:15:26 pm »
I hate stuff like this. Videos in particular. Why? Because they exist to attract people who like to passively absorb things that support what they already want to believe. On the other hand, it's an incredibly cumbersome format for people who are interested in critically analysis. The result is a bunch of poorly supported conjecture that is eaten up be people who are really just looking for something to confirm what they want to believe anyway. No one who understands how to critically analyze a source even bothers with it because there is no practical way to determine whether it's a worthwhile time investment with out wading through hours of overly simplified explanations designed to pander to ignorant people's own sense of plausibility. That tactic alone indicates that the video is a waste of time.

These things always follow a pattern of absurd selection bias. The "experts" interviewed are restricted to the ones who believe the video's thesis, and aren't necessarily qualified to comment on the area in question. You get stuff that is akin to asking an embedded systems guy questions about bleeding edge RF research. But it doesn't matter, because the audience doesn't know and doesn't care about the difference. Worse, you get lots of conjecture that is unsupported and uncited. They act as if it's somehow meaningful that their explanation could seem plausible to the viewer, even though it would take significant expertise to make that determination. How arrogant do you have to believe that you can meaningfully evaluate highly technical issues with no relevant expertise? Perhaps worst of all is an attitude that they can impute a motive to someone and treat that as evidence.

The great lie that these and so many other conspiracy theories propagate is that a debate among non-experts about the details of a technical problem can have any meaning at all. It's not up to me to say whether your argument about seismology has any merit. I do not have any expertise in that field whatsoever. You could be telling me about the seismologist equivalent of a flux capacitor, and I would have no idea. I am trusting that the people with expertise in the field, because right or wrong, their call is the best that anyone is going to make. Casually dismissing entire international communities of academia as government tools isn't going to impress me, because ultimately, that's just circular reasoning.

I think things like this are ultimately designed to appeal to a set of people who want to feel superior to everyone else, but don't want to put in any actual effort into developing skills, expertise, or knowledge. Actual learning is a very humbling experience. These are people just want to feel smug, and are happy to ignore or dismiss anything that would contradict their self-image. Honestly, I think we are all tempted by this kind of thinking, but the people who make videos are just preying upon those who are most susceptible.
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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2012, 12:08:22 am »
Dear Monkeh:

--In your last post you stated:

--"My post was a simply worded suggestion that you look into why you can't see the link."

--Come now, lets not dance the shilly shally. What you were doing was making a snarky reply, to someone you took to be an ignoramus. Did you offer any help? No. If you had asked, if I had looked into the problem, I could have told you that I have only had this problem once before, but again with a poster in Eastern Europe. And, that if the link is being deleted upstream of me, there is precious little I can do about it. I am afraid I lack the resources to do a complete back trace to every single node, so I merely asked for the link in a textual form, problem solved.

--I posted politely and at length because for all I knew, you were not a native English Speaker, and I might have been mistaking the brevity and imprecision of you posting, as abrupt and rude, when such was not the case. I try to respond to people kindly and politely, assuming they meant no harm, my apologies for boring you, since obviously the assumption does not here apply.

--Perhaps, you would care to share with us, how you would pursue a missing link investigation.

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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2012, 12:15:03 am »
Dear Slobodan:

--You may have failed to notice in my last post to you a question. The question was: why did these three nuclear explosions fail to leave any radioactive isotopes/fallout as has been seen in every other nuclear explosion on record? Don't you see this fact as real deal breaker for the nuclear device theory?

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Re: 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2012, 12:21:33 am »
What a load of shit.

That's what other people sad, until they saw the video.

I was taken as a child to see a film about a talking Volkswagen with it's own personality, I guess I should be believing that too? Seriously some people are too stupid to be allowed to surf the net without adult assistance. In case you hadn't noticed there were a couple of large planes involved in 9/11.
Still if any of you true believers would like to buy a bridge I have one you may be interested in. All enquires to bored@work c/o eevblog.
 


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