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Offline Homer J Simpson

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"electrocute-o-daptor"
« on: November 19, 2015, 12:00:39 am »


 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 12:29:37 am »
I encountered one of these a while back.  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/deadly-converter-adapter/msg713212/#msg713212

Commonly found in discount stores.

The exposed pins are live only when the switch is out, but it is very easy to do this accidentally by nudging the switch when you unplug it.
 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 12:51:07 am »
But wouldn't you rather have a designer one?

 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 01:05:34 am »
But wouldn't you rather have a designer one?



That picture is just ridiculous.

For proper electrocution you need to use one finger from each hand.
 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 01:13:28 am »
And it has the CE sign. I'm not sure, does it mean China Export or Certain Electrocution?
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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 02:05:48 am »
'currently energised'  :-DD
 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 02:34:27 am »
But wouldn't you rather have a designer one?



That picture is just ridiculous.

For proper electrocution you need to use one finger from each hand.

 Great picture. But would that electrocute someone? As the current path is just from finger to finger? I know it would hurt like hell, probably burn and smoke skin, but would death quickly follow?

 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 02:52:59 am »
Great picture. But would that electrocute someone? As the current path is just from finger to finger? I know it would hurt like hell, probably burn and smoke skin, but would death quickly follow?

There is many scenarios from a tickle to losing part of your hand to death. Depending on how well you're earthed and how well you can maintain contact and if the wiring in the socket is defective (the latter increases the risk of earth related electrocution).
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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 03:46:31 am »
But wouldn't you rather have a designer one?


They're using it incorrectly.  |O

Correct use is with only one finger at a time to find the live connection.  ;)
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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2015, 08:22:21 am »
Great picture. But would that electrocute someone? As the current path is just from finger to finger? I know it would hurt like hell, probably burn and smoke skin, but would death quickly follow?

You'll still have the standard path through the body to ground assuming a non-isolated supply.

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2015, 08:34:24 am »
Great picture. But would that electrocute someone? As the current path is just from finger to finger? I know it would hurt like hell, probably burn and smoke skin, but would death quickly follow?

You'll still have the standard path through the body to ground assuming a non-isolated supply.
With the average person wearing mostly insulating clothing, where is the path to ground, and where is this non-isolated supply?
 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2015, 08:49:12 am »
With the average person wearing mostly insulating clothing, where is the path to ground, and where is this non-isolated supply?

Shoes act like excellent capacitors, so pass AC quite well.
Non isolated supply would be any standard TN or TT supply...  :=\
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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2015, 09:11:54 am »
With the average person wearing mostly insulating clothing, where is the path to ground, and where is this non-isolated supply?

Shoes act like excellent capacitors, so pass AC quite well.
Plates something like 30cm x 10cm, separated by a centimetre or more of dielectric don't produce a very high capacitance. Your risk is much more of it being a hot sweaty day or a rainy day, and moisture linking you to the floor. Even if you do couple to the floor, how many floors are significantly conductive? If you stand in the average shoes and grab a live wire you feel nothing more than a slight tingle, due to capacitive coupling. If you touch a live wire and get a serious shock its probably because your other hand is touching something conductive and grounded.
 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2015, 09:44:17 am »
With the average person wearing mostly insulating clothing, where is the path to ground, and where is this non-isolated supply?

Shoes act like excellent capacitors, so pass AC quite well.
Plates something like 30cm x 10cm, separated by a centimetre or more of dielectric don't produce a very high capacitance. Your risk is much more of it being a hot sweaty day or a rainy day, and moisture linking you to the floor. Even if you do couple to the floor, how many floors are significantly conductive? If you stand in the average shoes and grab a live wire you feel nothing more than a slight tingle, due to capacitive coupling. If you touch a live wire and get a serious shock its probably because your other hand is touching something conductive and grounded.

Not from my experience. Even upstairs on wooden floor, I've received a shock strong enough for a severe muscle contraction - definitely not touching anything else. Trainers and shoes are often reasonably conductive to help stop people building up static.

Maybe you should do a video of you grabbing a live wire
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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2015, 12:39:55 pm »
With the average person wearing mostly insulating clothing, where is the path to ground, and where is this non-isolated supply?

Shoes act like excellent capacitors, so pass AC quite well.
Plates something like 30cm x 10cm, separated by a centimetre or more of dielectric don't produce a very high capacitance. Your risk is much more of it being a hot sweaty day or a rainy day, and moisture linking you to the floor. Even if you do couple to the floor, how many floors are significantly conductive? If you stand in the average shoes and grab a live wire you feel nothing more than a slight tingle, due to capacitive coupling. If you touch a live wire and get a serious shock its probably because your other hand is touching something conductive and grounded.

Not from my experience. Even upstairs on wooden floor, I've received a shock strong enough for a severe muscle contraction - definitely not touching anything else. Trainers and shoes are often reasonably conductive to help stop people building up static.

Maybe you should do a video of you grabbing a live wire
I build up plenty of static in trainers, but even if some are treated they will be static dissipative, not conductive. Their impedance will be huge. In any case, standing on a wooden floor would isolate even sweat soaked shoes.

The human body's capacitance to the environment is tens to hundreds of picofarads. It depends on the body and what its doing. Lets take the figure used in most things needing a human body model, which is 100pF in series with1.5k ohms. An adult standing up, wearing typical shoes, and touching nothing should be in this range. 100pF at 50Hz has an impedance of about 30M ohms. At 220V this will pull about 7uA, and cause a tiny tingle. How tiny? Well the Y capacitors in a power supply are generally bigger than 100pF. If you touch the isolated and safe output of the power supply, and something grounded, you will pull more current than standing up in typical shoes and touching the live wire of 220V mains.

If you felt a serious jolt you had another path to ground. Its really easy to miss them in the heat of the moment.
 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2015, 08:47:29 pm »
Great picture. But would that electrocute someone? As the current path is just from finger to finger? I know it would hurt like hell, probably burn and smoke skin, but would death quickly follow?

You'll still have the standard path through the body to ground assuming a non-isolated supply.

 What path to ground, assuming normal clothing/shoes and other hand free?
 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2015, 05:29:56 am »
With the average person wearing mostly insulating clothing, where is the path to ground, and where is this non-isolated supply?

Shoes act like excellent capacitors, so pass AC quite well.
Plates something like 30cm x 10cm, separated by a centimetre or more of dielectric don't produce a very high capacitance. Your risk is much more of it being a hot sweaty day or a rainy day, and moisture linking you to the floor. Even if you do couple to the floor, how many floors are significantly conductive? If you stand in the average shoes and grab a live wire you feel nothing more than a slight tingle, due to capacitive coupling. If you touch a live wire and get a serious shock its probably because your other hand is touching something conductive and grounded.

You are quite right.  In a large number of cases you can get away with this because the floor/shoe path is adequately insulating.  Probably much more often than not.  Just the thing to build a false sense of security.  When I worked for the power company new employees were regaled with the story of a linesman (American English for the guys who maintain power distribution networks) who transferred in from a very arid region of the country.  He "knew" that it was safe to do a number of things without all of the safety gear recommended.  Until he woke up in the hospital with serious burns, quite lucky to be alive.  He had encountered a different environment than his experience had showed.
 

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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2015, 07:29:29 am »
I think this would have been a good review for "ElectroBOOM"




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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2015, 02:16:47 am »
Western governments need to crack down on the tossers who import these potentially lethal Chinese "products". One innocent person gets electrocuted, then the importer should charged with manslaughter and given a long jail term.
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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2015, 11:21:54 pm »
One innocent person gets electrocuted, then the importer should charged with manslaughter and given a long jail term.
But how would you tell if the electrocuted person wasn't stupid?
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Re: "electrocute-o-daptor"
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2015, 01:10:28 am »
One innocent person gets electrocuted, then the importer should charged with manslaughter and given a long jail term.
But how would you tell if the electrocuted person wasn't stupid?
Does it matter? Everything these days has to be idiotproof...  :palm:
 


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