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"LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« on: November 21, 2016, 10:12:06 pm »
Is this a uk vs american thing? Leads versus saying L,E,Ds? A kid in my third grade class would call them "leads" and piss me off because he thought he was smarter then me. Mrs. Johnson and her third grade class knew otherwise.

But eevblog Dave, bigclive.com and other east hemisphere, crazy right hand drivers draw their resisters as boxes. Drives me nut because I was always taught that boxes were for odd ball parts and resisters were -\/\/\- zigzags. ITS AN L-E-D AND A ZIGZAG GOD DAMN IT!!!!!  ;D



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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 10:17:24 pm »
Resistors in IEC standard are drawn as a box, no matter it is a commonwealth country or other countries adopting IEC symbols.
L.E.D. vs lead is as pointless as S.Q.L. vs sequel, or N.A.S.A. vs nesa/nasa.
If you are pissed off by a 9 year old kid just because he doesn't call it exactly the way you do, you better find another job before you taught these kids to be dictators like you.
 

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2016, 10:33:48 pm »
1930 called and wants it zigzags back. ;)
 

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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2016, 10:37:27 pm »
The boxes vs. zig-zag lines is a European vs. US thing.
On one hand the open box allows you to print the value (and/or designator) inside the box.
OTOH, they seem to have several different components that all use a rectangle like that, so it is sometimes ambiguous.

Apparently pronouncing the acronym for Light Emitting Diode as "lead" is more common in non-English speaking circles.
In English context, it is indistinguishable from the word for the heavy metal, so many people prefer to pronounce it: "L-E-D"
Of course, if you are watching a YouTube video about the light-emitting components, there should be no ambiguity.
 

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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2016, 10:54:37 pm »
Is this a uk vs american thing? Lead's versus saying L,E,D's? A kid in my third grade class would call them "lead's" and piss me off because he thought he was smarter then me. Mrs. Johnson and her third grade class knew otherwise.

But eevblog Dave, bigclive.com and other east hemisphere, crazy right hand drivers draw their resisters as boxes. Drives me nut because I was always taught that boxes were for odd ball parts and resisters were -\/\/\- zigzags. ITS AN L-E-D AND A ZIGZAG GOD DAMN IT!!!!!  ;D

You are allowed to choose. It is a matter of personal preference (fashion, if you like). My cultural background is Britain, and I prefer to say L-E-D. It's easy enough to say and I see no reason to abbreviate it to "led".

Likewise, I grew up with resistors being drawn as zig-zag lines. That's how everyone did it back in the old days. Today I still draw them that way if I am sketching a circuit because it is easier to draw them that way by hand. Everyone recognizes what the symbol means, so what's the big deal?

In short, live and let live, and don't fuss. Or I'll start asking you about the correct way to pronounce advertisement.
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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2016, 10:55:31 pm »
Is this a uk vs american thing? Lead's versus saying L,E,D's? A kid in my third grade class would call them "lead's" and piss me off because he thought he was smarter then me. Mrs. Johnson and her third grade class knew otherwise.

Hmm.. On the subject of glass house and stones...
Is it just a rednecky thing to use apostrophe where it shouldn't be?
As far as I'm aware, every more or less literate kid knows that "LED's"  means:
- posesive case, e.g. "This is an LED's pin" -> "This pin belongs to LED"
- "LED is" or "LED has" e.g. "LED's dead", "LED's died"

While "LEDs" represents a plural form of "LED". I.e. "I have a lot of LEDs in my box"




 
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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2016, 10:59:24 pm »
Hmm.. On the subject of glass house and stones...
Is it just a rednecky thing to use apostrophe where it shouldn't be?

That annoys me too! A good rule of thumb is if you replace the apostrophe with the word "is" and it doesn't make sense or you're not using it to show possession, then it doesn't belong (exceptions apply).
 

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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2016, 11:18:44 pm »
Resistors in IEC standard are drawn as a box, no matter it is a commonwealth country or other countries adopting IEC symbols.
L.E.D. vs lead is as pointless as S.Q.L. vs sequel, or N.A.S.A. vs nesa/nasa.
If you are pissed off by a 9 year old kid just because he doesn't call it exactly the way you do, you better find another job before you taught these kids to be dictators like you.

It's Microsoft Sequel and Postgres Ess Que El. :D

Anyone who actually says the individual letters ("N A S A") instead of saying just NASA is a tool. (My grandfather worked at NASA Langley for 25 years, everybody there called it NASA.)
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic; e.g., Cheez Whiz, Hot Dogs and RF.
 
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2016, 11:38:08 pm »
 NASA with letters is the car people, NASA pronounced is the space agency.

I still draw my resistors as squiggles when hand drawing circuits. Loops for inductors. I say the letters LED, if I hear "lead" I am expecting to hear "zeppelin" after it.

 
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2016, 03:10:54 am »
I still draw my resistors as squiggles when hand drawing circuits. Loops for inductors.
Same

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I say the letters LED, if I hear "lead" I am expecting to hear "zeppelin" after it.
... or 'flashing' (building material), shielding (radiology), pipe (plumbing), weight (fishing - or that goldbrick in the office) ...

but I like your option better.
 

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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2016, 03:57:29 am »
Hmm.. On the subject of glass house and stones...
Is it just a rednecky thing to use apostrophe where it shouldn't be?

That annoys me too! A good rule of thumb is if you replace the apostrophe with the word "is" and it doesn't make sense or you're not using it to show possession, then it doesn't belong (exceptions apply).

Or it's vs. it is.
 

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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2016, 05:01:54 am »
Language is weird, we all have our preferences, for me it's

L.E.D
S.Q.L
B.J.T

but...

Fet
J.Fet
Mos.Fet
J.Peg
Gif (not Jif)

And I use zig zag resistors. 


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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2016, 05:10:23 am »
Language is weird, we all have our preferences, for me it's

L.E.D
S.Q.L
B.J.T

but...

Fet
J.Fet
Mos.Fet
J.Peg
Gif (not Jif)

And I use zig zag resistors.

Let's add more fuel to the fire.

GaN is sometimes read as "gan", or sometimes "gallium nitride". No one so far I know reads it as "G.A.N.".
On the other hand, I've never heard any one read SiC as "S.I.C." or "sick". It's always "silicon carbide".
 

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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2016, 08:08:50 am »
It's Microsoft Sequel and Postgres Ess Que El. :D

Please don't start that argument ;-) It will end in tears/bloodshed.

I will admit though that "sequel" makes me cringe because of a complete douchebag boss I had years ago who said it constantly. So for me it's "S-Q-L".

Also, it's "S-A-P" not "Sap". ;-)
 

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2016, 08:53:24 am »
The boxes vs. zig-zag lines is a European vs. US thing.
On one hand the open box allows you to print the value (and/or designator) inside the box.
OTOH, they seem to have several different components that all use a rectangle like that, so it is sometimes ambiguous.
One of the problem with zig-zags is they can be ambiguous on hastily hand draw schematic: they can be confused with inductors.

It's not a problem on printed schematics though.
 

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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2016, 12:21:25 pm »
I was taught to use boxes for resistors and that's what I normally use. But I'm not fussed what other people use. My only problem is that a badly drawn zigzag resistor can look like a badly drawn inductor and vice versa.

As for led vs L.E.D., I tend to say which ever springs to mind first.
 

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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2016, 12:34:01 pm »
Its the inconsistency of the English language.  NASA with two vowels separated by a single non-vowel should, be the long a so it should be pronounces naasa but its an exception to the rule and pronounces as the short nassa.

I used to drive my English teacher crazy asking about all the exceptions to the rules.  But with all the exceptions it was harder to write a program to do your work.

Could be worse though, at least you don't have to listen to everyone who went to Walmarts.  "ohh you went to more than one, why not get what you needed at the first one?"

 

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2016, 12:48:46 pm »
It's Microsoft Sequel and Postgres Ess Que El. :D

That'd be "queue", wouldn't it?
 

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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2016, 01:05:53 pm »
It's Microsoft Sequel and Postgres Ess Que El. :D

That'd be "queue", wouldn't it?

Touché.
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2016, 02:43:29 pm »
I personally prefer a mixture of US and IEC symbols, even though my teachers at university tend to kill me when I draw the resistors with the zigzag line and inductors with the black box.. I do this mainly because I tend to have bad drawing skills, meaning, a square resistor wouldn`t be a square but more like some sort of smashed, mushy thing which could be identified as either a resistor, an inductor or even a fuse. So I write the zigzag line to tell "that is a resistor" and use the box for inductors - because the loop-inductor can be quite simmilar to a badly drawn zigzag-resistor...
What I really hate is the difference between all those logic gates, I can`t really focus on one way to draw them, switching between styles whenever i feel like doing so...
Regarding the LED-Thing: I prefer L-E-D. I also prefer to say Serial ATA and not Sata(n).
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2016, 03:13:39 pm »
I quite like the Elektor house style (which is I think generally IEC) for schematic symbols and tend to hand draw my own schematics with them but separate out logic elements to the American style just because they make sense to me at a glance as I was taught those as a teenager.

I'm sure many people will be cringing but they're my schematics and I don't generally share them unless I've used a CAD program to make them human readable  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2016, 03:41:30 pm »
I switch back and forth between boxes and zigzags, depending on which one I find easier to draw that day.

LED: "ell ee dee"
SQL: "sequel"
NASA: "nassa" (never heard anything else)
queue: "kweew" (think about it—you won't go back)
GIF: with a hard G
SATA: to rhyme with NASA
pasta: "pass-ta", not "poss-ta" like the Americans say


I personally prefer a mixture of US and IEC symbols, even though my teachers at university tend to kill me when I draw the resistors with the zigzag line and inductors with the black box.. […] So I write the zigzag line to tell "that is a resistor" and use the box for inductors

Box inductor symbol? I don't think I've seen it, and Google isn't helping.

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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2016, 03:57:31 pm »
queue: "kweew" (think about it—you won't go back)
I thought about it, and felt nauseous. Your pronunciation even sounds like the noise you make when you smell something nasty  :P

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SATA: to rhyme with NASA
Wouldn't it be better to rhyme it with 'patter'?

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pasta: "pass-ta", not "poss-ta" like the Americans say


I personally prefer a mixture of US and IEC symbols, even though my teachers at university tend to kill me when I draw the resistors with the zigzag line and inductors with the black box.. […] So I write the zigzag line to tell "that is a resistor" and use the box for inductors

Box inductor symbol? I don't think I've seen it, and Google isn't helping.
International symbol, according to Sparkfun's handy guide.
 

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Re: "LED's" or "Lead's" boxes or -/\/\/\-
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2016, 04:03:59 pm »
LED: "ell ee dee"
SQL: "sequel"
NASA: "nassa" (never heard anything else)
queue: "kweew" (think about it—you won't go back)
GIF: with a hard G
SATA: to rhyme with NASA
pasta: "pass-ta", not "poss-ta" like the Americans say

You forgot one:

    SCSI = "scuzzy"

    on the other hand, IDE = "eye dee ee"
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2016, 08:25:09 pm »
LED: "ell ee dee"
SQL: "sequel"
NASA: "nassa" (never heard anything else)
queue: "kweew" (think about it—you won't go back)
GIF: with a hard G
SATA: to rhyme with NASA
pasta: "pass-ta", not "poss-ta" like the Americans say

You forgot one:

    SCSI = "scuzzy"

    on the other hand, IDE = "eye dee ee"

and daata and datta
 
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