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General => General Technical Chat => Topic started by: eti on January 13, 2020, 02:49:11 am
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I've just heard a story that Dave has written and sold a "guide" to internet dating. Since it's clear that a man of his wisdom and calibre couldn't ever possibly entertain a notion so utterly daft and ridiculous, I had a good chuckle imagining why anyone could possibly believe that a "guide" to internet dating would ever be a thing that's needed ("dating" is so utterly immature and lacking in discernment or wisdom, it's just too stupid and bizarre a notion as to want to entertain it; marriage is a secure, practical and holy sacrament, never perfect but extremely fulfilling when done right)
Maybe I fell into a parallel universe where this actually happened (it's on Amazon, I reckon it's a prank, frankly)
Tell me it doesn't ACTUALLY exist, please...
It simply can't be the same Dave L. Jones, I refuse to see why he'd think anyone would come to him for this "advice", aside from "dating" being an utter fools errand.
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http://www.artofinternetdating.com/author.htm (http://www.artofinternetdating.com/author.htm)
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Hahaha, I actually found OP's disbelief quite funny. ;D
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Look, this is absolutely a prank; Dave is too astute and wily to have done anything like this. Why would you? :-/ Any such publication is absolutely ridiculous to even consider purchasing, let alone putting to paper. Tell me it isn't true. One wouldn't write such a publication, it'd be beyond ridiculous *for a man of his evident intellectual standing*.
Don't lie to me!! Oy a broch!!
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(1) Yes, it really is the same Dave Jones and a bit of Google-fu will find videos of a younger Dave prompting the material.
(2) Dating is "so utterly immature and lacking in discernment or wisdom, it's just too stupid and bizarre a notion as to want to entertain it; marriage is a secure, practical and holy sacrament, never perfect but extremely fulfilling when done right"?
I just read a comment from you in another topic "Wow, OP, how was your landing on earth?" and now I find myself having to ask you the same question. Most people (except those whose parents arrange their marriages) have to go through some dating before they find somebody to marry.
You're a Brit (or at least that's the flag you've set for yourself) so I have to presume that you understand what is commonly understood by "dating" - you meet or are introduced somehow to someone, you ask them on a "date" such as "would you like to have a coffee together sometime", or "would you like to go to the cinema*", or "would you like to come out for a meal with me some time". Do you have some very strange notion of what "dating" is, a notion that is completely different from everybody else's?
* Don't laugh at me you young whipper-snappers out there, it's what we used to do, there used to actually be stuff worth watching in the cinema when I were a lad.
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Well why wouldn't it be a thing?
You will find plenty of books on dating. But he filled a very specific niche of internet dating and im sure quite a few people found it useful since after all in the year 2000 this whole internet thing was still fairly new (Yes it has been around since long before but most people still didn't have internet at home)
Interacting with people on the internet is very different than interacting with people in real life. The norm of how people act on the internet has also changed a lot with social networks coming around and the demographic changing from tech savvy users to every average joe and his dog (Yes actual dogs have Facebook pages these days)
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Well shucks, it seems we have people here who feel the need to "mansplain" what dating is... golly... #incredulous.
Yes, thanks for that, I've had a few dates, now being in my 40s. Just can't believe Dave would think anyone would want some random bloke putting out A BOOK about it. I know Ozzies are loud and brash, but did he consider his stance to be master of relationships to THAT degree? :-DD
#Delusional
Was there a demand, or was it fueled by enlarged ego on his part? I'm genuinely incredulous, and to top it off, on his site he states.....
"Although the printed version of the book is out of publication in stores, I still have some original first edition printed books available (my own private stock) for those who want to read it the old fashioned way!, or perfect as a gift for a friend or relative!"
(Translation: My book wasn't a great success and so I've been lumbered with a load of stock which I can't shift)
Lawl.
Davey me old mate, if you're reading this, I'm only having a laugh; don't take it to heart, I'm just teasing. It's just so so funny!! :-DD
I hope you don't read any ill will into this. :p
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Well shucks, it seems we have people here who feel the need to "mansplain" what dating is... golly... #incredulous.
Not mansplaining, just stating what my assumption of the meaning of the word "dating" is. vis:
... so I have to presume that you understand what is commonly understood by "dating" - you meet or are introduced somehow to someone, you ask them on a "date" such as "would you like to have a coffee together sometime", or "would you like to go to the cinema*", or "would you like to come out for a meal with me some time".
Stating one's assumptions for clarity's sake is not "mansplaining", it's trying to make sure that we're talking about the same thing when your earlier post suggests that you might understand "dating" as a completely different kind of thing from me (and by impliction what's commonly understood by that word).
You had what seems to me an odd and extreme response to the word "dating" - something that most people I think would regard as a harmless, somewhat necessary, sometimes pleasurable, sometimes not, experience. Your reaction is so outside the norm that I felt the need to ask you to explain it. You react as if there's something deeply shameful -
("dating" is so utterly immature and lacking in discernment or wisdom, it's just too stupid and bizarre a notion as to want to entertain it; marriage is a secure, practical and holy sacrament, never perfect but extremely fulfilling when done right)
... aside from "dating" being an utter fools errand.
- about dating and I don't think it's unreasonable to ask you to explain why you take that view. Most of us react to Dave's prior incarnation as a guru of Internet Dating as perhaps mildly embarrassing if it'd been one of us 'outed' for doing it (I happen to know that Dave's not in the least embarrassed and owns it). You react as if he was involved in something innately wrong.
So do you have an explanation, or were you just bloviating and are now using words like "mansplaining" to hide behind to avoid having to come up with an explanation?
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With the upmost respect to everyone in this thread and the discussion, I'm still trying to find why the user eti find it funny than Dave had created sometime ago a Guide for Dating.
It's the kind of thing that the teenagers of now would reply with "AND?????" or "SO WHAT?????"
First - He created, it's available online, read it or not, and keep going;
Second - Why are you judging? It affects you? It goes against your own believes or being?
I'm not acting as a person who is testifying in a court, defending Dave and what he done (specially when it doesn't have anything to do with me and Dave as an Australian doesn't need anyone to defend him) but as respect for the person and the knowledge he shares, I simply read this topic and think "Why is this really a topic needed to be created???"
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I'm not acting as a person who is testifying in a court, defending Dave and what he done (specially when it doesn't have anything to do with me and Dave as an Australian doesn't need anyone to defend him(my emphasis))
I can mentally hear every Aussie who's reading this going "Too bloody right mate!". :)
but as respect for the person and the knowledge he shares, I simply read this topic and think "Why is this really a topic needed to be created???"
I can understand the plain curiosity, if I wasn't already aware of Dave's former life and tripped over it I might well have been going "You're kidding me, right?" and I don't think it's egregiously out of place to create the topic to ask "Is this true or is it a prank?". I can understand the OPs incredulity, to me Dave didn't seem the type for this kind of thing but I certainly don't take it as a stain on his character - it's not as if he was writing/promoting "pickup artist" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist) type crap, just producing the kind of stuff that some folks need to perhaps help them deal with a bit of a lack of social confidence.
But I quite understand your position that the way the OP asked the original question is a bit off. That's precisely why I'm pressing the OP for an explanation - do they misunderstand "dating" or are they on some misbegotten crusade to ensure that all people conform to their own idiosyncratic personal moral/religious/political/whatever beliefs, or are they just stirring the shit?
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Look at it this way, Dave is happily married with a couple of kids. Given his success in this area (although I don't know how he met SWMBO) I'd say he's qualified to write about the subject.
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(although I don't know how he met SWMBO)
Via his Internet dating exploits:
After meeting countless people over the years via the Internet, he finally met his soulmate Nicole through the RSVP dating site (on Valentines day of all days!) whilst in the midst of writing this definitive guide.
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Hilarious thread :-DD
I too thought it's a joke, but that dating advice website exists in unchanged form since 2004 and the woman really looks like Dave's wife, if my recollection of her from the videos is worth anything.
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I mean, I've written books too*, so what?
https://www.amazon.com/EMC-Product-Designers-Tim-Williams/dp/0081010168 (https://www.amazon.com/EMC-Product-Designers-Tim-Williams/dp/0081010168)
*I actually haven't. This IS actually a joke, and it's a mere coincidence that I share the same name as the author.
Tim
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My brother has an identical first and last name to that of a Latin American actor who is famous for his womanizing.
One day, some "friends" of him found some online scandals of this actor, and decided with the help of Photoshop, to replace his face with that from my brother.
And published it on Facebook.
That is the reason I put "friends" on quotes. Or shall I say, ex-friends.
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40% of couples first meet online and you are giving Dave shit for being a few years ahead of the curve and writing a book on it?
https://qz.com/1546677/around-40-of-us-couples-now-first-meet-online/
Hopefully you are quite young and will one day see the error of your ways.
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Dave still has "personal stock" left over (why is it "personal" - does he smoke what doesn't sell? ;D)
One man having successfully formed a relationship which turned into marriage and a family (which is marvellous of course!) being the basis for a book on dating, is the same logic as someone happening to catch a fish on their first ever outing, and writing a book about how to fish; just a little... awkward?
Who gave him the idea he's an "expert" on dating? That just smacks of ego to me. Dating is for mugs - it's not a sweet shop. The idea of dating is so full of flaws and so set up for easily avoidable heartbreak, it's not even funny. For anyone making "wise old me" comments, I'll invite you to sit down, I'm in my mid fourties, and speak from experience that dating ISN'T the golden egg that it's promoted to be. If you can't attract someone in your own community, what logic makes you think that you'll suddenly become irresistible to someone outside your postcode?
The whole thing is a mess. The old ways work best - a local, mutually agreed upon chaperone as a go-between (as the Hasidic Jewish communities use) is perfect, it saves heartache and misery.
Never put on a false impression or "act" your potential future spouse wants to know what YOU are like normally, not how well you practiced a script to "impress" her,.and vice versa from your viewpoint - meet a girl with said go-between always present, and communicate the willingness to pursue or abandon further meetings with said chaperone; it works. No reason not to pursue is our of bounds or too small - you're deciding who to spend your ENTIRE LIFE with, and that's absolutely to be taken extremely seriously indeed; disregard what "society" thinks works - look at the western world and how many divorced people there are, all because "being in love" was the commonality they foolishly assumed was good grounds for becoming married.
So you and your date both like chocolate - is it grounds to start a chocolate factory? In the same manner, "we're both in love" - so what? You need to be able to tolerate the REAL person that is revealed, once the excitement and "newness" has long faded and gone - if you can't handle knowing this, you've no maturity, and no reason to seek marriage, and putting an innocent bride through what may result from a poor foundation.
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The world was different then. Not many people were used to the idea of internet dating - heck, in my home country it was frowned upon!
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So you and your date both like chocolate - is it grounds to start a chocolate factory? In the same manner, "we're both in love" - so what? You need to be able to tolerate the REAL person that is revealed, once the excitement and "newness" has long faded and gone - if you can't handle knowing this, you've no maturity, and no reason to seek marriage, and putting an innocent bride through what may result from a poor foundation.
My dear smart ass, tell this to the millions of young people who get married every day. If you will be sitting and waiting until you "become mature", the life will pass by. Do not buy a house until you have a million dollar in the bank, do not have a child until you whatever, good luck with that philosophy. And BTW, you did not read the book, did you? What if the whole content was about using the technology and not about what you think it is about.
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The world was different then. Not many people were used to the idea of internet dating - heck, in my home country it was frowned upon!
The existence of something is not the justification for using it and writing off old ways.
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The existence of something is not the justification for using it and writing off old ways.
Your post history has maybe 2 posts that were on topic for this forum; why are you here?
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So you and your date both like chocolate - is it grounds to start a chocolate factory? In the same manner, "we're both in love" - so what? You need to be able to tolerate the REAL person that is revealed, once the excitement and "newness" has long faded and gone - if you can't handle knowing this, you've no maturity, and no reason to seek marriage, and putting an innocent bride through what may result from a poor foundation.
My dear smart ass, tell this to the millions of young people who get married every day. If you will be sitting and waiting until you "become mature", the life will pass by. Do not buy a house until you have a million dollar in the bank, do not have a child until you whatever, good luck with that philosophy. And BTW, you did not read the book, did you? What if the whole content was about using the technology and not about what you think it is about.
I hope they live long and happily married lives. Statistics point to the contrary of what you're saying, and since my Father was a Church of England priest (retired last year) for 37 years, and I lived in his work home for that entire period, I've heard more countless thousands of conversations, voicemails etc regarding this exact subject matter. I'm pretty much about as aware as one could possibly get, of what happens in the space of matrimonials etc.
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The lack of wisdom and maturity is conspicuous by its absence in the thread, so I'll ask for a thread lock please.
Thank you.
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Ah, so we get our answer: "idiosyncratic minority religious views" probably Jewish in origin from what's been said (but not necessarily so, there are still small pockets of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and some other religions that practice some form of arranged or supervised marriage). BTW for those who don't have much contact with Jews (I went to a school that had probably 25% Jewish pupils so I've a pretty good idea of what was 'normal' for British Jews in the 70s) this kind of management of relationships by a small minority of Jews is looked at with bemusement by the vast majority of the Jewish community.
You accuse Dave of arrogance for proffering advice on taking part in the courtship rituals followed by ninety-nine point something percent of the world, and yet you see no irony in you, obviously the owner of a very minority attitude towards courtship, telling the ninety-nine point something percent of the rest of us that we're doing it all wrong. That's the problem with the folks who think they're got God (or Marx, or Adam Smith, or whoever) on their side, they're always ready to tell the rest of us that we're doing it all wrong, but they rarely spare any time for introspection.
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The lack of wisdom and maturity is conspicuous by its absence in the thread, so I'll ask for a thread lock please.
Thank you.
Translation: "Nobody agrees with me, they're mostly arguing rationally and making sense and I can't have that. How do I get out of this?"
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and since my Father was a Church of England priest (retired last year) for 37 years, and I lived in his work home for that entire period, I've heard more countless thousands of conversations, voicemails etc regarding this exact subject matter. I'm pretty much about as aware as one could possibly get, of what happens in the space of matrimonials etc.
Ah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England
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I think you may be confusing the kind of people who write those books with the kind of people who read them :P
But there is sense to what you say. Funny that somebody said 40% of couples in some countries meet online, because in similar countries 40% of couples also end up divorced :P
I know it's not the exact same couples every single time, but one may wonder about general trends.
You accuse Dave of arrogance for proffering advice on taking part in the courtship rituals followed by ninety-nine point something percent of the world, and yet you see no irony in you, obviously the owner of a very minority attitude towards courtship, telling the ninety-nine point something percent of the rest of us that we're doing it all wrong.
Ninety percent of the world is South Asia or Africa, dude, not Britain :P
Now, I don't really have the numbers on prevalence of arranged marriages and Internet dating, but I would never dare to bet that the latter is more common than the former.
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Ninety percent of the world is South Asia or Africa, dude, not Britain :P
I suspect that India could tip the scales all on its own. :) Arranged marriage in India is still very common (although it's changing, and it's more laissez-faire than it was) but among the Indian community in Britain it represents a very minority thing. I live in a very Indian heavy part of London (50% of my neighbours are Indian) and none of the Indian couples I know under the age of about 60 are arranged marriages. Perhaps 30% of the couples I know with one partner of Indian origin are what are, for want of a better term, 'mixed' marriages. My (white) partner's previous partner was Indian.
Like you, I've no real grasp of what proportion of folks meet via the Internet nowadays. However, it might be worth considering that any figures for 'met via the Internet' will include: (1) Folks who met via sites other than specific 'dating' sites and, (2) the 'Internet' will also include mobile phone usage and those little buggers are everywhere nowadays - there are places without plumbed water or sanitation where people make daily use of "the Internet" via a mobile phone. 40% sounds high to me, but I'm from a generation that can go days without using a mobile phone and met all my past girlfriends for the first time face to face, so what would I know?
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But there is sense to what you say. Funny that somebody said 40% of couples in some countries meet online, because in similar countries 40% of couples also end up divorced :P
I know it's not the exact same couples every single time, but one may wonder about general trends.
You can wonder all you want, or you could actually look up the data and provide some insight. USA divorce rates are decreasing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/23/144-years-of-marriage-and-divorce-in-the-united-states-in-one-chart/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/23/144-years-of-marriage-and-divorce-in-the-united-states-in-one-chart/)
During this similar time period (2000-2020), online dating has drastically increased: https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_et_al_Disintermediating_Friends.pdf (https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_et_al_Disintermediating_Friends.pdf)
Now you can use some logic here, and provide various arguments why they might be related or not.
For example, the pool of "friends" is going to be many magnitudes smaller than the pool of "online". Wouldn't you say that given a larger selection of people you would be more likely to find one who is compatible?
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I met my partner of 10 years via online dating. The "old ways" are still around but the modern generation has an online presence and huge numbers of people interact and date online now, so what?
The world changes, society evolves, it can be difficult for people who are getting older, especially people like me who have always had difficulty dealing with change but it's going to happen and fighting it is futile. To younger folks you're just going to look like a bitter old man yelling at the clouds. They're going to go about their life as you become irrelevant.
My life got a lot easier once I came to terms with this and focused on trying to evolve with the times and not stress about the changing world. In a handful of short decades I'll be gone and the world will belong to them.
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I'm in my mid fourties
and since my Father was a Church of England priest (retired last year) for 37 years, and I lived in his work home for that entire period,
Dating in the "modern" (idiotic) sense itself is flawed, as people generally leave it until they're old and lonely (read: DESPERATE!) and make flawed judgements
I think we're getting a picture here. You're still single aren't you?
Marriage itself doesn't "evolve", it's not a "technology". The conduit through which communication is pushed to facilitate less tedious timescales has advanced... and that's all.
I presume that you're in the "institution ordained by God" school when it comes to marriage but for most of us it's a social construct - those do evolve.
In hindsight, having initiated this thread, some of my fellow Christians may say that I'm casting my pearls before swine; I agree.
Oink! Oink! Hit my other cheek please.
Edited to add: Weird, the last post I was quoting has disappeared since I quoted it. Perhaps the OP relented and decided that we're not swine and withdrew it.
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The world was different then. Not many people were used to the idea of internet dating - heck, in my home country it was frowned upon!
The existence of something is not the justification for using it and writing off old ways.
My comment stems from the fact you show extreme contempt towards the works of someone without apparent knowledge of the state of affairs at the time. That, tied to your contempt towards the word "dating" and the "internet dating" scene, reveals how disconnected you are from reality (the stats shown here give you a hint).
This is quite typical of a contemporary train of thought that tries to erase the past or reduce the societal evolution to a dychotomy, where the past is always "wrongthink" and the world today is always the "rightthink" without exception.
Despite of how "illuminated" you think you are, the current times are not the epithome of mankind and societal norms. Far from it.
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The world was different then. Not many people were used to the idea of internet dating - heck, in my home country it was frowned upon!
The existence of something is not the justification for using it and writing off old ways.
My comment stems from the fact you show extreme contempt towards the works of someone without apparent knowledge of the state of affairs at the time. That, tied to your contempt towards the word "dating" and the "internet dating" scene, reveals how disconnected you are from reality (the stats shown here give you a hint).
This is quite typical of a contemporary train of thought that tries to erase the past or reduce the societal evolution to a dychotomy, where the past is always "wrongthink" and the world today is always the "rightthink" without exception.
Despite of how "illuminated" you think you are, the current times are not the epithome of mankind and societal norms. Far from it.
"Norms" :palm: gee whizz, you're sleepwalking.
Hey, stranger! As much as you want me to care about your opinions or misguided "summation" of me as a person, you're a stranger; why do I care what you think of me, and by the same token, why do you care about my views?
You have maybe formed some delusion in your mind that, in ANY sense, you know me or anyone else you've never seen or shaken hands with, let alone spoken to for hours, days and years, cumulatively.
Maybe you're of the hive-minded, faultyz oft-pushed assumption that the internet forum is a "community", merely by virtue of the gathering of people interested in the same SUBJECTS as each other, but that's about all.
We've never met. You've never been to my house for dinner. We've never had phone calls, you don't even know my name, my life history.
Enough. Don't make a further foolishness of the assumption we are friends. You're a nice person I'm sure, but I can't guarantee it. Care less about me, you'll not disappoint yourself. You know absolutely nothing about me or my true views, you only choose to pick the pieces that contradict your own, and reject all else. That's absolutely okay, more than, feel free to make whatever vain imaginations you will of me, that's what the lazy always resort to when they've no objective, calm, critical thinking to employ.
If you despise my views, set your opinions to one side and move on, unaffected. Saving energy is good. I'm gonna save some now and get offline. Take it easy.
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You seem to possess an incredible amount of anger, hatred and contempt, half of your posts I've seen in this forum are irate, fuming rants that have nothing to do with engineering. Maybe you could try being positive for once? Or figure out just what it is that has instilled so much negativity and deal with it rather than dragging everyone else in. You seem excessively converned with how others live their lives, as if terrified that somebody somewhere might actually be enjoying themselves. If you don't want to be part of a community here then kindly go elsewhere. Personally my online friends and acquaintances are no different than the friends and neighbors who live near me.
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"A fisherman that drops many lines catches many fish"
I'll have you know Dave's system works, he is one of the pioneers of internet dating. I'm waist deep in hoes and I only skimmed through the book quickly. Right now I have a tasty bit of crumpet 20 years my junior making me a coffee, good times.
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"A fisherman that drops many lines catches many fish"
I'll have you know Dave's system works, he is one of the pioneers of internet dating. I'm waist deep in hoes and I only skimmed through the book quickly. Right now I have a tasty bit of crumpet 20 years my junior making me a coffee, good times.
The way you speak of someone you're supposed to respect as a woman and a blessing, I can't see that lasting. Seriously.
Let me guess how predictable you're going to be - the following response will imply I'm "jealous" in some way. No, but I pity the poor lass you refer to as "bit of crumpet" - you CLEARLY lack any emotional growth wearing a female companion as a goal of some sort.
Well done. Enjoy your temporary glee.
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Well, my ignore list grew again. Here's a funny book
https://www.amazon.ca/How-Succeed-Women-Revised-Updated/dp/0735204357/ref=sr_1_1?crid=M54MHMCYYA9T&keywords=how+to+succeed+with+women&qid=1578976071&sprefix=how+to+succeed+with+wom%2Caps%2C149&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.ca/How-Succeed-Women-Revised-Updated/dp/0735204357/ref=sr_1_1?crid=M54MHMCYYA9T&keywords=how+to+succeed+with+women&qid=1578976071&sprefix=how+to+succeed+with+wom%2Caps%2C149&sr=8-1)
First time I saw it was in a used book store, I thought it was going to be 400 empty pages.
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The whole thing is a mess. The old ways work best - a local, mutually agreed upon chaperone as a go-between (as the Hasidic Jewish communities use) is perfect, it saves heartache and misery.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
If you want your, uhh, encounters - since you're so revolted by the notion of "dating" - to be chaperoned, then go on right ahead, get yourself a chaperone (and a dat... ahem, a chaperonee?), best of luck, do as you please.
I'm not doing it. ;D
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You seem to possess an incredible amount of anger, hatred and contempt, half of your posts I've seen in this forum are irate, fuming rants that have nothing to do with engineering. Maybe you could try being positive for once? Or figure out just what it is that has instilled so much negativity and deal with it rather than dragging everyone else in. You seem excessively converned with how others live their lives, as if terrified that somebody somewhere might actually be enjoying themselves. If you don't want to be part of a community here then kindly go elsewhere. Personally my online friends and acquaintances are no different than the friends and neighbors who live near me.
I was thinking that were the one who had realized that, basically since the first post. But as I said, I don't know him, and I'm no one to judge.
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"A fisherman that drops many lines catches many fish"
I'll have you know Dave's system works, he is one of the pioneers of internet dating. I'm waist deep in hoes and I only skimmed through the book quickly. Right now I have a tasty bit of crumpet 20 years my junior making me a coffee, good times.
The way you speak of someone you're supposed to respect as a woman and a blessing, I can't see that lasting. Seriously.
Let me guess how predictable you're going to be - the following response will imply I'm "jealous" in some way. No, but I pity the poor lass you refer to as "bit of crumpet" - you CLEARLY lack any emotional growth wearing a female companion as a goal of some sort.
Well done. Enjoy your temporary glee.
Oh dear. Hook, line and sinker.
How do you know when you're taking yourself too seriously? When you respond to an post that was an obvious jibe and respond to it in a way that indicates that you're taking it seriously. I recall you claiming that you had a sense of humour (as an excuse for a non-humourous "look at me!" post of yours). Where's that sense of humour now?
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But as I said, I don't know him, and I'm no one to judge.
Very commendable of you, but I think we may have strayed into "By their fruits ye shall know them" territory by now.
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The general maturity level with respect to the subject at hand, appears to be exceptionally low.
Apparently, due to some random statistics I read, recently, men only tend to grow up properly around 43 years of age (I'm taking it as an anecdote.)
Based on said anecdote, I think this quoted age may have been delayed by several further decades, for EEVblog forum members participant in this thread, based upon the hilariously defensive, grumpy replies and naive, almost objectifying (in some cases) attitude to women.
A woman is not from a different planet, speaking alien language, and needing to be "conquered" by the general tone, I feel this is quite an alarmingly common attitude, which makes perfect sense when I consider that most see "dating" as a normal and healthy way to find a wife.
I can't say I'm surprised; the secular world as a whole is so very, very lost as regards affairs of the heart, and mostly men, it must be said.
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A woman is not from a different planet, speaking alien language, and needing to be "conquered"
And what's that got to do with dating? The mind boggles.
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A woman is not from a different planet, speaking alien language, and needing to be "conquered"
And what's that got to do with dating? The mind boggles.
No, YOUR mind boggles. It makes perfect sense.
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No, YOUR mind boggles. It makes perfect sense.
Yeah, in your mind, sure it makes perfect sense. ::)
I met my girlfriend online. We went on dates - meaning, we spent time together, did things together, talked a lot - in one of the three languages we have in common, but no alien languages, I assure you - got to know each other, developed a mutual sense of affinity, then developed feelings for each other, got romantically involved and are currently in a committed relationship. I didn't conquer her, nor do I wish to. I like it when she challenges me and my views, as it's intellectually stimulating. We're both engineers (in different fields), she knows things I don't, I know things she doesn't, and I think we complement each other nicely. She comes from the very same planet as I, and we treat each other as equals.
My mind does boggle. I don't think what you call dating and what everyone else calls dating are the same thing at all.
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Very commendable of you, but I think we may have strayed into "By their fruits ye shall know them" territory by now.
Yeap, that's right. I think I will stay on the sidelines for now on... :popcorn: