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A philosophical question - Is lateral thinking a valued trait in engineering?
RJSV:
FOLKS:
Sorry, sorry, sorry, I didn't get a good 'shake-out', and examination, of my previous point:
'IF THEY ARE ON THE PAYROLL, 'they' are then part of the equation, regarding 'dead weight' employees.
Course some employees are actually OK and under some sort of unfair reputation.
But, the proverbial 'Boss's Son' DOES EXIST, in most any dialog to the contrary is...well...flat out at odds with a clear discussion.
Comprendai ?
So,... while some see the humor, in making an ORG CHART having those subtle little lines, connecting PURCHASING DEPT. / SHIPPING DEPT. / etc. Those
lines NEED to include, for validity, 'Boss's SON..
Owner's Daughter's Husband...Owner's Second Cousin,
etc. etc.
OR...How about put a 'disclaimer' in the data, saying:
"All relatives or good friends data,...pls see page 52.".
That way you, actually covered that workplace.
Sorry sorry sorry.
penfold:
--- Quote from: RJHayward on March 03, 2022, 11:05:45 pm ---[...]
So,... while some see the humor, in making an ORG CHART having those subtle little lines, connecting PURCHASING DEPT. / SHIPPING DEPT. / etc. Those
lines NEED to include, for validity, 'Boss's SON..
Owner's Daughter's Husband...Owner's Second Cousin,
etc. etc.
OR...How about put a 'disclaimer' in the data, saying:
"All relatives or good friends data,...pls see page 52.".
That way you, actually covered that workplace.
[...]
--- End quote ---
Yeah, haha, they certainly should, at least whilst they're complying with the ISO9001 stuff by having job-specs, minimum qualifications, KPIs etc... they should at least be honest and put "...unless the employee is the boss's son".
The MD once asked me to review a firmware guy's (from a different office) code (because they slyly wanted to get rid of him and hoped I'd say it was awful and he was lazy), I sent back my report saying it was "very impressive and way beyond my critique but btw... your son's isn't"... and that was the end of that job.
fourfathom:
I'm sorry to hear about all the dysfunctional companies you guys have had to work for. I've seen some of that crap but for the last 25 years of my career I worked for startups where we were focused on being successful rather than empire building and protecting deadwood. There's a world of difference.
coppice:
--- Quote from: fourfathom on March 04, 2022, 07:21:02 pm ---I'm sorry to hear about all the dysfunctional companies you guys have had to work for. I've seen some of that crap but for the last 25 years of my career I worked for startups where we were focused on being successful rather than empire building and protecting deadwood. There's a world of difference.
--- End quote ---
Most stories of larger companies are a mix of good and bad, because any large group of people is never just one thing. If you want to hear stories of truly dysfunctional places, you need to listen to stories of startups. They get really polarised, and good ones often flip to awful if the original plan doesn't actually go to plan.
RJSV:
Yea !
Lateral Thinking: Towards One's Career :
The 'troubled' places had similar structure, being at about 20 employees, roughly. Going into WEB sites later, that had 'consumer review' type evaluations, all did say, " Don't work here if you want to build a career, that's not in the equation..."
Plus, I have to say, I've gotten a few decent jobs, VIA a relative, or neighbor...
One interesting thing is:
These 'little' places, doing new products, had a designated 'Outsider', right in the center, an Inventor type / Phd. One of those 'hyper-brained' people was named...(wait for it...). 'Clark Smarter'. lol
BUT, back to Lateral Thinking:
That Mars Lander, firing retro-rockets and 'hovering', at 20 feet up, that's over the top just weird.
"Did your 7 y.o. KID come up with that SUCESSFUL IDEA ?"
AND, also the 'BACKWARDS' travel HOME, that 1rst rocket booster that literally turns around and flies back to the pad...AWESOME OFF-SCALE...
...(Did someone's 4 year old come up with that?
...(Seriously, NASA folks...whew...)!
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