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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2022, 02:35:06 am »
I don't shop at hipster "Maker" outlets, always get that cringe feeling which puts me right off, and I want no part of. And the sexual orientation BS is repellant, and puts me off even more. No sale, no way.
When I first looked at AF, the first thing that put me off was the price. They're just sourcing from China like everyone else.
 

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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2022, 02:53:20 am »
No mention of the breach on their forums or blog or website.
I'm glad Adafruit is clearing the air about this sorta on Twitter, what happened (breach) sounds like no biggie - but the way it was handled, not so great.

I find their products are simply fun, and at least some creative energy and quality is in them compared to stuff straight out of Originality Central.
 

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2022, 10:34:44 pm »
When I first looked at AF, the first thing that put me off was the price. They're just sourcing from China like everyone else.

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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2022, 10:46:59 pm »
When I first looked at AF, the first thing that put me off was the price. They're just sourcing from China like everyone else.

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They do provide one valuable service: they create breakout boards for ICs that are often small and hard to use on a breadboard and package the whole thing up along with documentation describing how to use them. This latter part is especially helpful when the original documentation from the vendor is written in horrible Chinglish. But, for the most part, their stuff is generally very expensive and I tend to order the raw parts directly from Digi-Key or Mouser instead. I agree with the hipster description!
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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2022, 11:12:08 pm »
Seems like a reasonable response to me.

The blocking part I don't understand, but also seems to have been resolved:

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Someone blocked is actually disputing that though.
I was blocked by Phil on his personal account, but that wasn't about this, now unblocked.
He sent me proof that the Adafruit account no longer blocks anyone.
 
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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2022, 04:55:24 am »
They do provide one valuable service: they create breakout boards for ICs that are often small and hard to use on a breadboard and package the whole thing up along with documentation describing how to use them. This latter part is especially helpful when the original documentation from the vendor is written in horrible Chinglish. But, for the most part, their stuff is generally very expensive and I tend to order the raw parts directly from Digi-Key or Mouser instead. I agree with the hipster description!

I've bought from them a couple of times when they had something I couldn't easily get somewhere else. I've also built a few of their designs myself using the provided gerbers. The real value they provide is as you mention here, the documentation and also source. I was trying to support them for that effort although I got really turned off when they got completely silly trying to ban words like master and slave in regards to SPI. That's just beyond stupid and I won't support the euphemism treadmill.
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2022, 06:26:12 am »
They also have issue with using the terms male or female to describe connectors.
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2022, 06:51:07 am »
What are they using instead, then? :o

(Or maybe nothing at all - just look at the pictures, customer :P)
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2022, 10:11:48 pm »
What are they using instead, then? :o

Adafruit are still using the terms "Male/Female" and "MOSI/MISO".
Just on their site they choose to define MOSI as "Main output, secondary input". There is no "banning" of the word that I am aware of.

As usual, people want to get their opinion across and won't let facts get in the way of it.
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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2022, 10:34:49 pm »
Do we know the scale of this? Was it their whole database?
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2022, 10:41:12 pm »
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2022, 10:57:01 pm »
What are they using instead, then? :o

Adafruit are still using the terms "Male/Female" and "MOSI/MISO".
Just on their site they choose to define MOSI as "Main output, secondary input". There is no "banning" of the word that I am aware of.
As usual, people want to get their opinion across and won't let facts get in the way of it.

They were quite vocal about it at the time, and have made changes:
https://blog.adafruit.com/2021/06/01/adafruit-switching-default-branch-of-circuitpython-repositories-from-master-to-main/
https://blog.adafruit.com/2021/06/24/controller-and-peripheral/
and they have bloged about it often
https://blog.adafruit.com/2020/06/22/replacing-master-slave-terms-in-music-technology-musicmonday/
https://blog.adafruit.com/2021/06/12/micropython-updating-to-controller-peripheral/
https://blog.adafruit.com/2021/05/04/python-cpython-the-python-programming-language-repository-migration-to-main-on-github/

Just search "adafruit blog inclusive" or similar.
IIRC they made a pledge somewhere to remove it all from the website and documentation, but it's still everywhere.

And it's embedded into their CircuitPython code of conduct:
https://docs.circuitpython.org/en/6.3.x/docs/design_guide.html

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As our Code of Conduct states, we strive to use “welcoming and inclusive language.” Whether it is in documentation or in code, the words we use matter. This means we disfavor language that due to historical and social context can make community members and potential community members feel unwelcome.
 
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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2022, 11:29:35 pm »
OK fair enough, seems very extensive.

If they start banning the use of it on their forums, comments, or twitter, then thats going to far.
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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2022, 12:23:04 am »
I don't like this "inclusive" politics stuff either (and I do think this is actually promoting division and segregation in the end rather than inclusion and peace, but this is another story), but at least they acknowledge this is politics they want to promote, and they state it clearly. Now everyone's free to get on board with that or not, or to ignore it or not. It's not hidden.
 
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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2022, 01:47:01 am »
As I remember it was a hassle looking for connectors. The usual search keywords were not working at that time, I'm assuming they also were affected.
I just looked now and Adafruit is using plug/socket, or male/female in descriptions, and mixes up those up (hint: it's the pins not the housing) but at least you can search and find some parts (search results).
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2022, 01:55:01 am »


Is this a plug or a socket? Answers on a postcard.

Can people just stop getting offended by nothing already?
 

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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2022, 03:05:25 am »
Is this a plug or a socket? Answers on a postcard.
Nice! A plug-in socket.
 
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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2022, 03:32:02 am »
Can people just stop getting offended by nothing already?

No, they can't. Unfortunately it's how modern society has programmed people to function. If you aren't offended by something then you are a victim of something, didn't you know?
 
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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2022, 03:52:50 am »
Unfortunately it's how modern society has programmed people to function.

I imagine the entitleds in Ukraine have an updated perspective on such issues now. Maybe they can explain to their youthful counterparts who are lucky enough to be elsewhere. Oh, wait. Their new perspective. Hmmm...
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2022, 04:34:11 am »
Is this a plug or a socket? Answers on a postcard.
Nice! A plug-in socket.

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2022, 05:13:40 am »
When I first looked at AF, the first thing that put me off was the price. They're just sourcing from China like everyone else.

uh...

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They still get a lot of stuff from China, can't blame them at all.
E.g.: https://imgur.com/a/7bgsAPB
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2022, 08:26:05 am »
What are they using instead, then? :o

Adafruit are still using the terms "Male/Female" and "MOSI/MISO".
Just on their site they choose to define MOSI as "Main output, secondary input". There is no "banning" of the word that I am aware of.

As usual, people want to get their opinion across and won't let facts get in the way of it.

Well if you want to argue semantics...

"Main output, secondary input" is not what MOSI means, it's just made up bullshit to be politically correct. Everyone knows it's Master out, Slave in, so were the words "master" and "slave" banned or were they just changed? What is the difference?
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2022, 09:11:51 am »
Is this a plug or a socket? Answers on a postcard.
Nice! A plug-in socket.

Amphenol was prepared decades ago !  :-+

Well, there are also the infamous RP-SMA connectors (or any other RP- abomination)
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2022, 09:41:26 am »
Lets *NOT* repeat the 71 page 2020 great 'woke' master Slave debate: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/master-and-slave-tech-terms-face-scrutiny-amid-anti-racism-efforts/
 

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Re: Adafruit Data Breach
« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2022, 09:46:32 am »
There is one thing the SJWs actually get right: if they don't want to bring attention to something, they speak about it in code words and don't post links to it :P
(Meanwhile, somebody is bumping the old thread in 3... 2... 1...  :-DD)

I also appreciate that I can be passive-aggressive to them simply by using standard industry language, I like it 8)
 
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