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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2016, 03:27:12 pm »
The ones deserving some focus would be:
+ Wireless. But I have to agree, if they would sell the MCU products to anyone, who grabs it, probably that would be fine. I guess it would make the most sense to sell it to someone, who is weak in the microcontroller market. Like Analog devices. Or ON. Or Fairchild, but I doubt they have the money.
Anyway, my head is starting to hurt with these constant acquisitions.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2016, 04:41:14 pm »
I guess Qualcomm's wireless experience far outperforms anything from NXP (coming from former-Freescale). We have to keep in mind they also got Atheros sometime ago and they had good wireless expertise too.
Grim-looking situation for the wireless engineers within NXP.

My head hurts too. About a month ago I completed a design using a Kinetis MCU but this acquisition information now raises a lot of questions about parts availability in the future ...
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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2016, 05:30:31 am »
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i dream... of NDAs and 10k MOQ on logic gates
I can see that happening, Qualcom would probably drop or sell off the low level stuff. Maybe in the not to distant future we will buy it from China, who knows, but at least we still got Diodes Inc, Fairchild and ON Semi, for now anyway.  :scared:
NXP's standard products are not involved I think. They're supposed to branch to Nexperia.

I knew it.

Ah jeezz.. hope they didn't pay someone too much money for inventing the name "Nexperia"... But they probably did...
« Last Edit: October 05, 2016, 05:32:57 am by jitter »
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2016, 06:43:48 am »
My head hurts too. About a month ago I completed a design using a Kinetis MCU but this acquisition information now raises a lot of questions about parts availability in the future ...
 :-//

Microchip buying Atmel killed any possibly of our using AVR-8 microcontrollers.  I am currently trying to decide of I need to design out everything made by Linear Technology.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2016, 06:58:52 pm »
This is unfortunate for me.   I use a lot of Kinetis and LPC parts.     Anytime this happens I immediately do a "new design freeze" and not use anything new from the company for about 2 years....

 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2016, 07:14:50 pm »
When it comes to Qualcomm buying NXP it seems nothing is carved in stone yet.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2016, 08:25:01 pm »
Even if this buyout won't get through (though I don't see any reasons not to), it signals NXP is actively shopping itself around and the long-term availability of their current parts might change depending on whoever is to going to buy them
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2016, 09:17:48 pm »
OTOH: why buy something to make the products obsolete the next day? IMHO NXP's ARM portfolio is pretty strong and probably has the widest range available from any manufacturer. Even TI doesn't have such a strong line-up. And then there are the 8 and 16 bit processors from formerly Freescale. Try and find a microcontroller NXP doesn't have a competing device for to match it.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2016, 05:38:47 am »
Even if this buyout won't get through (though I don't see any reasons not to), it signals NXP is actively shopping itself around and the long-term availability of their current parts might change depending on whoever is to going to buy them

Maybe something similar will happen as when Motorola said goodbye to the simple stuff and OnSemi was born. They're still around...
There are lots of designs still relying on stuff from Philips, now NXP and possibly next Nexperia. It's only the name that changes.
Similarly Atmels serial flash now carries the name Adesto. I haven't seen our customers change a design because of that. So, in the end it depends if the new owner can keep selling enough of the stuff.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2016, 08:23:41 am »
Lot of Freescale/NXP parts have a +10yrs availability, that's mainly required by automotive makers/suppliers. Go around that and it shut you down the whole automotive market in a breeze.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2017, 07:32:53 pm »
This just went downhill. Now the Broadcom wants to buy Qualcomm. |O
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2017, 09:46:38 pm »
That's OK. I was already writing Motorola/Freescale/NXP/Nexperia(?)/Qualcomm in my BOM for those parts.
You know, just to show how ridiculus this is.
Now I will just write Motorola/Freescale/NXP/Nexperia(?)/Qualcomm/Broadcom in it.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2017, 09:52:04 pm »
That's OK. I was already writing Motorola/Freescale/NXP/Nexperia(?)/Qualcomm in my BOM for those parts.
You know, just to show how ridiculus this is.
Now I will just write Motorola/Freescale/NXP/Nexperia(?)/Qualcomm/Broadcom in it.

And maybe Mitsubishi/Hitachi/NEC/Intersil/Renesas.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2017, 06:50:07 am »
The NXP and Qualcomm merge did not continue since the shareholders (many employees) didn't want to sell their shares.
The board can negotiate whatever they want, but if the shareholders don't agree, then nothing happens.

Many employees of NXP/Nexperia hold shares. Part of their reward/retirement program.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2017, 07:03:55 am »
Microchip buying Atmel killed any possibly of our using AVR-8 microcontrollers.  I am currently trying to decide of I need to design out everything made by Linear Technology.
Why does that prevent you using AVR chips?
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2017, 08:32:59 am »
The NXP and Qualcomm merge did not continue since the shareholders (many employees) didn't want to sell their shares.
The board can negotiate whatever they want, but if the shareholders don't agree, then nothing happens.

Many employees of NXP/Nexperia hold shares. Part of their reward/retirement program.

Well it's mostly the EU veto that held the merger. Now it is supposed to be resumed the rest is a matter of price (and a big hand sold its share friday on qcom/brdcom rumor).
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2017, 11:00:56 am »
That's OK. I was already writing Motorola/Freescale/NXP/Nexperia(?)/Qualcomm in my BOM for those parts.
You know, just to show how ridiculus this is.
Now I will just write Motorola/Freescale/NXP/Nexperia(?)/Qualcomm/Broadcom in it.

And maybe Mitsubishi/Hitachi/NEC/Intersil/Renesas.

I wouldn't use any parts from those company as a matter of principle. I dont like:
NDA walling crucial information
Not having EU suppliers
Providing shit support to the west

And please understand, even if they dont do this anymore, it will take a decade or more for me to change my mind about companies.
 
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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2017, 11:59:54 am »
Microchip buying Atmel killed any possibly of our using AVR-8 microcontrollers.  I am currently trying to decide of I need to design out everything made by Linear Technology.

Why does that prevent you using AVR chips?

Why accept the risk that Microchip will discontinue them or their support in any way?  And if Microchip does not, why accept that risk of others doing so?

It adds another reason to select ARM instead of AVR for a new design.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2017, 01:28:06 am »
Why accept the risk that Microchip will discontinue them or their support in any way?  And if Microchip does not, why accept that risk of others doing so?

It adds another reason to select ARM instead of AVR for a new design.
Considering AVR is used in a number of popular products which make money, it seems unlikely that Microchip will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. However, whatever you think of that, going for an ARM alternative gives you no additional guarantees. There is nothing to prevent those manufacturers to pull the plug on the chip you use. Judging by the experiences of others, that's actually what happens regularly.

I understand you want some guarantees, but I don't think it makes sense to look for them where there are none.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2017, 03:18:13 am »
Considering AVR is used in a number of popular products which make money, it seems unlikely that Microchip will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. However, whatever you think of that, going for an ARM alternative gives you no additional guarantees. There is nothing to prevent those manufacturers to pull the plug on the chip you use. Judging by the experiences of others, that's actually what happens regularly.

I understand you want some guarantees, but I don't think it makes sense to look for them where there are none.

But with ARM alternative ARM based processors are available from many sources and the investment into ARM development is maintained to some extent.

I do not doubt that Microchip will continue to produce existing AVR products including any which are still in development but until there is evidence of continued development, I am leery of investing in AVR.  For those currently using AVR, this is largely irrelevant.
 

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Re: Qualcomm wants to buy NXP
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2017, 01:14:09 am »
Considering AVR is used in a number of popular products which make money, it seems unlikely that Microchip will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. However, whatever you think of that, going for an ARM alternative gives you no additional guarantees. There is nothing to prevent those manufacturers to pull the plug on the chip you use. Judging by the experiences of others, that's actually what happens regularly.

I understand you want some guarantees, but I don't think it makes sense to look for them where there are none.

But with ARM alternative ARM based processors are available from many sources and the investment into ARM development is maintained to some extent.
Actually the processor core is the least interesting part of a microcontroller. The compiler deals with that. What makes all the difference are the peripherals and how they are connected to the pins. Changing a microcontroller from ARM to a MIPS core is just a matter of recompiling the code. Changing peripherals and pins means re-writing the drivers and changing the PCB. ARM has tried to come up with their own software eco-system (CMSIS) but that has gotten very little traction by the microcontroller manufacturers besides some very basic stuff to enable/disable interrupts (which are just a few macros to inline some assembly code).
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 
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