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Ah, here we go again with the “eco” phone nonsense.
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Fixed_Until_Broken:

--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 12:43:14 am ---This is an ego massage for a tiny fraction of a VAST consumer base of smartphone users, so they can feel “responsible”, and somehow sleep better at night.
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 Normal people don’t care about the hippy dippy “open source” virtue signalling - they rarely would ever know what it means, and good for them - they want it TO WORK WELL, and they want and need superb support, and to know that they’re not the sole person in their entire life that owns this thing, so that someone can help them.

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I am picking up some ego massaging going on in this post. The majority of users do care about that hippy dippy stuff they just don't realize it because of technical names. They care about how much it costs to repair, They care about how long their device will stay relevant. Users care about security as well.

Security can be improved on open source systems because they don't rely on security by obscurity. Repair costs can be reduced if you are not getting locked out of features for changing screens and so on. The device can be supported longer than the manufacture supports it when open-sourced.

I will admit though a lot of consumers just don't understand what it means. it's simply not virtue signalling to care about open source devices... a lot of environment stuff probably is virtue signalling on the end-user but it's respectable for the manufacture to go that route.

At first glance, it seems to have respectable specs at a reasonable cost.
james_s:

--- Quote from: tooki on October 12, 2021, 01:06:05 pm ---Say what one will about Apple, they’re really good about providing mobile OS upgrades for far, far longer than the rest of the industry!

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IMHO they have a history of updating mobile devices about one version beyond where they should have stopped. My old iPhone 4 became nearly useless once it was updated beyond iOS 6, I'm still irked about that frankly, I haven't liked the look of any later version of iOS nearly as well as 6 and earlier either.
Simon:
I had a fairphone 2, I did not realize that fairphone 1 was not designed by them just made under their sourcing guidance. So 2 was actually 1 and it was garbadge. 2 screens and 1 camera module later I proclaimed that this thing was apparently fair to everyone but the poor bastard who bought one and told the phone coop where to stick it.

I guess they may have got their act together with 3 and hopefully 4 is good. The idea of how the phone comes apart is a nice one, despite this I had to send my phone away for repair when it needed new screens so I really have no faith in them although it was some years ago now.

I keep my stuff for as long as it is useful. I have just put a new battery in my 4 year old phone. I guess I may look at the fairphone again later if I need a new one but in my experience hippies and engineering do not go together.
rsjsouza:
Say everything about the mission statement of the company, etc. The phone seems to be very easily repairable, with very fair specifications and price. As for the common man, phones have reached a level of maturity in features that I wonder what is the proportion of the population that is still rushing to get always the latest features versus going through the work of migrating and moving data across phones, with the occasional adaptation period to a new interface.


--- Quote from: tooki on October 12, 2021, 01:06:05 pm ---Say what one will about Apple, they’re really good about providing mobile OS upgrades for far, far longer than the rest of the industry!

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Indeed Apple has many problems (IMO, I know we won't see eye to eye on this), but that is certainly not one of them.
Ranayna:

--- Quote from: james_s on October 12, 2021, 05:21:33 pm ---IMHO they have a history of updating mobile devices about one version beyond where they should have stopped.

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Both my iPhone 6s and my iPad Air 2 still work fine with iOS 15. Browsing has become somewhat sluggish on some websites, but that is more an issue of website bloat.
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