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Ah, here we go again with the “eco” phone nonsense.
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Simon:

--- Quote from: rsjsouza on October 12, 2021, 06:04:11 pm ---Say everything about the mission statement of the company, etc. The phone seems to be very easily repairable, with very fair specifications and price. As for the common man, phones have reached a level of maturity in features that I wonder what is the proportion of the population that is still rushing to get always the latest features versus going through the work of migrating and moving data across phones, with the occasional adaptation period to a new interface.


--- Quote from: tooki on October 12, 2021, 01:06:05 pm ---Say what one will about Apple, they’re really good about providing mobile OS upgrades for far, far longer than the rest of the industry!

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Indeed Apple has many problems (IMO, I know we won't see eye to eye on this), but that is certainly not one of them.

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People in the UK lock themselves into contracts, forget they are the ones paying over the odds for the phone then get told thhat they "are entitiled to an upgrade" rather than "we have finished ripping you off. Would you like to buy a new phone the moment you have finished paying for your "old one"" of course this is just 1 or 2 years later so yes people are constantly trying to outdo each other with their phones and keep changing them.
eti:

--- Quote from: magic on October 12, 2021, 07:55:00 am ---Heeeloo !! 111 one one !!!

Normal people would ban this whole smarthpone nonsense altogether for a multitude of reasons, but there just isn't enough of us to force it.
That's what normal people would do :-DD

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But I agree with you that most of the abnormal people would rather buy slightly thinner and shinier unrepairable junk that spies on them and gives them intellectual cancer than a more reliable junk that spies on them and gives them brain cancer ::)
This product will barely make a ROI. But so what? Who cares?

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Fairphone = Android, Android = Google, and Google = the MASTERS of lacking ethics and spying, the GRAND masters of everything "woke" and devious.
eti:

--- Quote from: Just_another_Dave on October 12, 2021, 01:49:39 pm ---
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--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 12:43:14 am ---PS: Normal people don’t care about the hippy dippy “open source” virtue signalling - they rarely would ever know what it means, and good for them - they want it TO WORK WELL, and they want and need superb support, and to know that they’re not the sole person in their entire life that owns this thing, so that someone can help them.

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I have to disagree. I consider myself a "normal person" albeit educated and experienced in tech. Open source has become quite important to me over the years. It's not about "virtue signalling", it's about giving consumers a choice above and beyond the closed-source and tightly controlled ecosystems. As everyday consumers embrace technology, they start learning more about it.

Things like internet connected lightbulbs were not that long ago reserved for those who had electronics knowledge. Now, anyone can go down to their local hardware store and set up elaborate lighting systems with automation etc...

As for the Fairphone (which obviously did quite well because they've now made a fourth iteration of it), it has some pretty impressive specs for the price whilst also being made of recycled materials. Those things matter to many people. As for support, it's running Android, the most popular mobile operating system/handsets in the world, not to mention the manufacturer aims to continue supplying updates for up to 6 years! How many of your other consumer devices are updated for that period of time?

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Fairphone 2 has also been updated to android 9 (it was initially shipped with android 5), while many manufacturers abandon their products after a year from their release date. That also makes it an interesting device for many consumers

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We're now on Android *TWELVE*...
eti:

--- Quote from: james_s on October 12, 2021, 05:21:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on October 12, 2021, 01:06:05 pm ---Say what one will about Apple, they’re really good about providing mobile OS upgrades for far, far longer than the rest of the industry!

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IMHO they have a history of updating mobile devices about one version beyond where they should have stopped. My old iPhone 4 became nearly useless once it was updated beyond iOS 6, I'm still irked about that frankly, I haven't liked the look of any later version of iOS nearly as well as 6 and earlier either.

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iPhone 6S is running iOS 15 - that's *SIX YEARS* of updates. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Android.
eti:

--- Quote from: Fixed_Until_Broken on October 12, 2021, 04:26:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 12:43:14 am ---This is an ego massage for a tiny fraction of a VAST consumer base of smartphone users, so they can feel “responsible”, and somehow sleep better at night.
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 Normal people don’t care about the hippy dippy “open source” virtue signalling - they rarely would ever know what it means, and good for them - they want it TO WORK WELL, and they want and need superb support, and to know that they’re not the sole person in their entire life that owns this thing, so that someone can help them.

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I am picking up some ego massaging going on in this post. The majority of users do care about that hippy dippy stuff they just don't realize it because of technical names. They care about how much it costs to repair, They care about how long their device will stay relevant. Users care about security as well.

Security can be improved on open source systems because they don't rely on security by obscurity. Repair costs can be reduced if you are not getting locked out of features for changing screens and so on. The device can be supported longer than the manufacture supports it when open-sourced.

I will admit though a lot of consumers just don't understand what it means. it's simply not virtue signalling to care about open source devices... a lot of environment stuff probably is virtue signalling on the end-user but it's respectable for the manufacture to go that route.

At first glance, it seems to have respectable specs at a reasonable cost.

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That's a nice daydream, but HUGELY differs from the actuality of life, which runs on selling things and making a profit to plough back into the same business to develop more nice things to sell you to make money... et cetera, I don't want to insult you with rhetorical. obvious guff.

The smartphone company which, despite its inherent human tendancies and mistakes, has consistently proven they actually care about security and privacy (and OS updates for SIX YEARS in some cases - I'd like to repeat that again), is Apple, and not one SINGLE other. The industry play-acts, emulating "caring" and they copy various superficial aspects of Apple's countless, complex and elegant layers which make up their winning game, but they come and go, falling by the wayside, fading in and burning bright, then they burn out and vanish - I've seen it for years.
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