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Ah, here we go again with the “eco” phone nonsense.
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eti:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on October 12, 2021, 10:55:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 07:57:51 pm ---Fairphone = Android, Android = Google, and Google = the MASTERS of lacking ethics and spying, the GRAND masters of everything "woke" and devious.

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A rather generic and inaccurate comment based on nothing more than opinion I would suggest.

If you want facts: Apple devices actually collect and store more user information, including user interaction than Android devices. iPhones are an absolute treasure trove of granular detail if you're the type of person interested in delving into things like the knowledgec.db database.

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The VERY pertinent difference being in the way iOS is locked down hard and tight, and the ethics of the company that make the devices. Of the two companies, it should be VERY clear which one should trust more. I have been an Apple user and done HUGE amounts of research over the years - pertinently from a known security expert you might have heard of - Steve Gibson of GRC.com (and if you don't know him, do some listening to his podcasts - he's a man of legendary status in the security field)

iOS security in INSANE levels of detail, from one that knows what is what in this area:



Halcyon:

--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 11:05:47 pm ---iOS security in INSANE levels of detail, from one that knows what is what in this area

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Thanks. You might also like to know that I have over 20 years of experience in the field, including a Master's degree and I regularly give expert evidence on these kinds of matters in high level courts. I also teach on the subject at Universities across Australia.

I'm not suggesting that Apple isn't a relatively secure handset (particularly when regular users are concerned), what I am disputing is your claim that Android/Google is somehow more "evil" and spies on their users without consent, when that is simply incorrect. You might also like to do some research into Google Workspace and how those services differ from the free Google accounts.

What is far more concerning are third-party applications and custom firmware that certain manufacturers include with their handsets, rather than just the stock Android/Google services.

As for the information that Google openly collects, you do realise Apple does the same?
Fixed_Until_Broken:

--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 10:40:00 pm ---Your tone is not conducive to a productive discussion.
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can you not be polite please?

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I am just using your own words. What's not productive is the fact that you completely ignoring the very valid points being made. You title your post with a baseless claim that the phone is nonsense with nothing to back it up. You have provided no argument whatsoever.  you have mentioned iPhone more than you have mentioned fair phone. There is no discussion to be had because there is nothing in the world anyone is going to say that changes your mind. Prove me wrong, What could I say to change your mind that Fair phone isn't "Ah, here we go again with the “eco” phone nonsense. ". You made it clear from the very title you chose your mind is made up. So I am here to drag you not to change your mind. You are wrong it's plain and simple. I don't need to change your mind.

Your title should be "I only want an iPhone and You Can't Change My Mind"

PS why do you want me to not be polite?
HobGoblyn:

--- Quote from: rsjsouza on October 12, 2021, 06:04:11 pm ---Say everything about the mission statement of the company, etc. The phone seems to be very easily repairable, with very fair specifications and price.

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Watched a Louis Rossmann vid about them today, while they make it easy enough to swap hardware, they will not provide schematics, hence they haven’t really made it easy to repair at component level.

https://youtu.be/fhLtyrRwGcg
eti:

--- Quote from: Fixed_Until_Broken on October 12, 2021, 11:18:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 10:40:00 pm ---Your tone is not conducive to a productive discussion.
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can you not be polite please?

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I am just using your own words. What's not productive is the fact that you completely ignoring the very valid points being made. You title your post with a baseless claim that the phone is nonsense with nothing to back it up. You have provided no argument whatsoever.  you have mentioned iPhone more than you have mentioned fair phone. There is no discussion to be had because there is nothing in the world anyone is going to say that changes your mind. Prove me wrong, What could I say to change your mind that Fair phone isn't "Ah, here we go again with the “eco” phone nonsense. ". You made it clear from the very title you chose your mind is made up. So I am here to drag you not to change your mind. You are wrong it's plain and simple. I don't need to change your mind.

Your title should be "I only want an iPhone and You Can't Change My Mind"

PS why do you want me to not be polite? <<<---

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I have better things to do that "convince" you. Do your own drawing of conclusions - your choice what you believe. Have a nice day.

"Can you not be polite?" is asking if you're able to be polite - English grammar, I can see it is a little confusing, having read it back.
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