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Ah, here we go again with the “eco” phone nonsense.
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thinkfat:

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--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 12:43:14 am ---PS: Normal people don’t care about the hippy dippy “open source” virtue signalling - they rarely would ever know what it means, and good for them - they want it TO WORK WELL, and they want and need superb support, and to know that they’re not the sole person in their entire life that owns this thing, so that someone can help them.

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I have to disagree. I consider myself a "normal person" albeit educated and experienced in tech. [...]

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Aand you can stop right there. A "normal person" is not educated and experienced in "tech".

As a matter of fact, nobody on this forum can be regarded a "normal person". Moderators doubly so.

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You are right, I am not normal, but not because I am a moderator :)

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Yes, because it's the other way 'round  ;)
tooki:

--- Quote from: Just_another_Dave on October 12, 2021, 01:56:44 pm ---Providing updates for old devices is actually interesting for them. If they forced you to buy a new device, you might change to android, whereas updating old devices ensures continuing receiving app purchase fees from those users.

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Yes, it's in Apple's interest to keep you as a customer.


--- Quote from: Just_another_Dave on October 12, 2021, 01:56:44 pm ---hat motivation doesn’t exist for manufacturers of android devices, as they don’t receive money from apps purchased in old phones

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Huh? What does the brand of your old phone matter? Apple makes its money on app sales at the time of purchase, that's it. Whether it's on a new or old iPhone is irrelevant.
tooki:

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--- Quote from: tooki on October 12, 2021, 01:06:05 pm ---Say what one will about Apple, they’re really good about providing mobile OS upgrades for far, far longer than the rest of the industry!

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IMHO they have a history of updating mobile devices about one version beyond where they should have stopped. My old iPhone 4 became nearly useless once it was updated beyond iOS 6, I'm still irked about that frankly, I haven't liked the look of any later version of iOS nearly as well as 6 and earlier either.

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I'm in total agreement with you about the look.

I think it was iOS 10 or 11 that really slowed down the iPhone 6 I had at the time. But iOS 12 brought all the speed right back. I haven't found any subsequent iOS upgrade to cause a noticeable loss in speed. What I have noticed is a bit more memory use, sometimes leading to longer time switching between apps if it's had to close it in the background.

What I have noticed over time, just as Ranayna said, is websites becoming pigs that are unable to perform adequately on older devices, whether mobile or otherwise. Facebook's current website is basically unusable on my 2012 MacBook. But website bloat is a topic of its own… :::snarl:::
tooki:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on October 12, 2021, 10:08:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 07:57:51 pm ---Fairphone = Android, Android = Google, and Google = the MASTERS of lacking ethics and spying, the GRAND masters of everything "woke" and devious.

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It's quite easy to take Google out of Android, without disassembling or rooting the device.
https://gitlab.com/W1nst0n/universal-android-debloater
I have never heard of anyone managing to take Apple out of iOS.

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You can disable iCloud, all the telemetry/reporting, and all the other Apple services (other than iOS updates and initial device activation). In theory, you could run it entirely using other cloud services like Google, or your own IMAP, calendar, etc. But it definitely wouldn't be as nicely integrated, and you'd be limited to the preinstalled apps only, for lack of an alternative app store.
tooki:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on October 12, 2021, 11:10:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on October 12, 2021, 11:05:47 pm ---iOS security in INSANE levels of detail, from one that knows what is what in this area

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Thanks. You might also like to know that I have over 20 years of experience in the field, including a Master's degree and I regularly give expert evidence on these kinds of matters in high level courts. I also teach on the subject at Universities across Australia.

I'm not suggesting that Apple isn't a relatively secure handset (particularly when regular users are concerned), what I am disputing is your claim that Android/Google is somehow more "evil" and spies on their users without consent, when that is simply incorrect. You might also like to do some research into Google Workspace and how those services differ from the free Google accounts.

What is far more concerning are third-party applications and custom firmware that certain manufacturers include with their handsets, rather than just the stock Android/Google services.

As for the information that Google openly collects, you do realise Apple does the same?

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Apple is also transparent about what it collects. The difference is that the vast majority of the data collected on iOS is used on-device only, and doesn't get sent anywhere. In contrast, Google collects data for the purpose of tracking you across the internet, and selling data to third parties. The amount isn't what matters as much as what's done with it.
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