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| thm_w:
--- Quote from: HobGoblyn on October 12, 2021, 11:20:07 pm ---Watched a Louis Rossmann vid about them today, while they make it easy enough to swap hardware, they will not provide schematics, hence they haven’t really made it easy to repair at component level. --- End quote --- Having purchasable modules that can be swapped out and tested quickly does make it much easier to repair at a component level. Still not ideal as listing a BOM and schematic though, yeah. |
| Fixed_Until_Broken:
--- Quote from: eti on October 13, 2021, 07:21:07 pm --- There's a system in iOS called the "chain of trust" People moan and whine about iOS devices not being repairable, but they seem to wilfully (or in ignorance) overlook one VERY simple fact - the third-party replacement parts you want to install, might have be of dubious origin, and perform dubious acts - an uninformed, not particularly highly skilled man on a Saturday market, changing your phone microphone or screen, may be, in all ignorance and probably all innocence, compromising the device which - beforehand - was secure. --- End quote --- Yes, People moan and complain about apple because they make repair harder in the name of "security". An example of such would be locking you out of the bootloader. But this amazing "security" has been defeated by tools like checkm8. They also serialize parts in the name of "security" but this is the same type of "security" that the TSA offers. It's known as a security circus or security theatre. basically, no real security is added by serializing the screen, battery, or camera. If I can make a device that can spy on you I can make a device that can spoof a serial number. serializing parts is not securing anything at all. BTW don't believe me there are tools on the market for cloning apple serial numbers right now. You are yet to make a valid point. keep reaching. Please do not bash 3rd party repair when you clearly do not understand one bit of what you are talking about. You are slandering the hard work of many businesses with more baseless claims. It is outright egregious to claim 3rd party repair will compromise your device. "Any fool can speculate, most of them do"... The quote is actually "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain-and most fools do" by the way |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: Halcyon on October 13, 2021, 06:59:42 pm --- --- Quote from: tooki on October 13, 2021, 12:38:14 pm ---Apple is also transparent about what it collects. The difference is that the vast majority of the data collected on iOS is used on-device only, and doesn't get sent anywhere. In contrast, Google collects data for the purpose of tracking you across the internet, and selling data to third parties. The amount isn't what matters as much as what's done with it. --- End quote --- Whilst true, I'll say this again, it happens with the consent of the user. If you don't want your phone listening to your words and displaying relevant ads, simply disable it. --- End quote --- Well, “consent” obtained somewhere in the bowels of a EULA, and which is not easy to disable if you change your mind. And I don’t think it’s actually entirely possible to stop Google from stalking you across the internet. Apple asks for explicit consent up-front during the setup process. They’re much more transparent about it. (And again, separate consent to send data off-device to do things for you, or to send bug reports to developers, and anonymized usage patterns to Apple. None of it is used for advertising or sold to third parties.) --- Quote from: Halcyon on October 13, 2021, 06:59:42 pm ---I've also mentioned this before but there is a huge difference between pairing your phone with a free Google account, or a corporate/Google Workspace account. Both very different beasts. Although they look the same on the surface, they are two completely different and seperate products from Google and behave differently. Google is actually one of the few providers (as well as Microsoft and Amazon) whose services are approved by the Australian government to handle protected and sensitive information (to a certain level, there are a few caveats however, such as the data must reside on Australian servers etc...) --- End quote --- That may be so for their paid hosted services, but you can’t pay your way out of Google tracking you around the internet to show ads. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: Fixed_Until_Broken on October 13, 2021, 11:58:21 pm --- --- Quote from: eti on October 13, 2021, 07:21:07 pm --- There's a system in iOS called the "chain of trust" People moan and whine about iOS devices not being repairable, but they seem to wilfully (or in ignorance) overlook one VERY simple fact - the third-party replacement parts you want to install, might have be of dubious origin, and perform dubious acts - an uninformed, not particularly highly skilled man on a Saturday market, changing your phone microphone or screen, may be, in all ignorance and probably all innocence, compromising the device which - beforehand - was secure. --- End quote --- Yes, People moan and complain about apple because they make repair harder in the name of "security". An example of such would be locking you out of the bootloader. But this amazing "security" has been defeated by tools like checkm8. They also serialize parts in the name of "security" but this is the same type of "security" that the TSA offers. It's known as a security circus or security theatre. basically, no real security is added by serializing the screen, battery, or camera. If I can make a device that can spy on you I can make a device that can spoof a serial number. serializing parts is not securing anything at all. BTW don't believe me there are tools on the market for cloning apple serial numbers right now. You are yet to make a valid point. keep reaching. Please do not bash 3rd party repair when you clearly do not understand one bit of what you are talking about. You are slandering the hard work of many businesses with more baseless claims. It is outright egregious to claim 3rd party repair will compromise your device. "Any fool can speculate, most of them do"... The quote is actually "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain-and most fools do" by the way --- End quote --- I don’t think the hardware and firmware security is even distantly pointless, as you suggest it is. No, it’s not perfect. But it has served to keep iOS FAR more secure as a platform for a typical user. It’s impossible to know exactly how much it’s prevented, but I don’t think it’s farfetched to believe that without it, there would be a lot more malware, ransomware, etc. Not to mention that I think it’s a good thing that law enforcement doesn’t have ready access. Yeah, it eventually gets broken, but rarely right away. And some things, like biometric security, really, really need to be done on secure hardware. Doing those on unsecured hardware is reckless. What I do believe, however, is that Apple should become more open about providing original parts to whoever needs them. |
| 2N3055:
https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/28/apple-google-default-search-privacy/ Just trust Apple... >:D |
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