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Ah, here we go again with the “eco” phone nonsense.

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tooki:

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--- Quote from: tooki on October 14, 2021, 12:53:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 14, 2021, 11:32:24 am ---https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/28/apple-google-default-search-privacy/

Just trust Apple...   >:D

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I’ll trust Apple way sooner than I’ll trust Google!

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Like a good Apple fanboy you didn't even read it did you?

Apple default browser default search engine IS Google.  Google apparently gets 9 billion of USD worth of Apple users private data, otherwise they wouldn't pay that much.
And Apple is happily selling it...

So yeah, they are all shit. At least Google is not "lie through the teeth" bigot like Apple.

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First of all, watch your tone, dude.

I did read it. But I also understood it. Google has been the default search engine since forever.

But that doesn’t mean Apple is selling user data it collected. Yes, leaving Google as the default means Google can collect more data, and clearly they think that’s worth the $9B. But that’s a very, very different thing from saying that Apple is selling data to Google, like Siri searches or map information.

You do realize that the entire reason Apple spent ungodly amounts of money developing Apple Maps is because to get Google maps turn-by-turn directions, they would have had to share user information with Google that Apple simply refused to do? If Apple didn’t care about privacy, they would have gone the easy route and just given Google the data. Instead they built an entire mapping infrastructure. If that’s not a commitment to user privacy, I don’t know what is.

There’s zero substance to your claim of Apple lying. (And calling them a “bigot” makes no sense whatsoever. A bigot is someone who holds prejudices, like a racist or sexist. You probably meant “hypocrite”, though there’s equally little evidence for that, either.)

Nobody is saying Apple is perfect. But I damned well trust Apple with privacy over Google. It takes raging, irrational hatred for Apple, or blind adulation for Google, to not understand that. Just about the only internet company I’d trust even less with privacy is Facebook, but I suppose that went without saying.)

2N3055:

--- Quote from: tooki on October 14, 2021, 02:38:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 14, 2021, 01:51:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on October 14, 2021, 12:53:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 14, 2021, 11:32:24 am ---https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/28/apple-google-default-search-privacy/

Just trust Apple...   >:D

--- End quote ---
I’ll trust Apple way sooner than I’ll trust Google!

--- End quote ---

Like a good Apple fanboy you didn't even read it did you?

Apple default browser default search engine IS Google.  Google apparently gets 9 billion of USD worth of Apple users private data, otherwise they wouldn't pay that much.
And Apple is happily selling it...

So yeah, they are all shit. At least Google is not "lie through the teeth" bigot like Apple.

--- End quote ---
First of all, watch your tone, dude.

I did read it. But I also understood it. Google has been the default search engine since forever.

But that doesn’t mean Apple is selling user data it collected. Yes, leaving Google as the default means Google can collect more data, and clearly they think that’s worth the $9B. But that’s a very, very different thing from saying that Apple is selling data to Google, like Siri searches or map information.

You do realize that the entire reason Apple spent ungodly amounts of money developing Apple Maps is because to get Google maps turn-by-turn directions, they would have had to share user information with Google that Apple simply refused to do? If Apple didn’t care about privacy, they would have gone the easy route and just given Google the data. Instead they built an entire mapping infrastructure. If that’s not a commitment to user privacy, I don’t know what is.

There’s zero substance to your claim of Apple lying. (And calling them a “bigot” makes no sense whatsoever. A bigot is someone who holds prejudices, like a racist or sexist. You probably meant “hypocrite”, though there’s equally little evidence for that, either.)

Nobody is saying Apple is perfect. But I damned well trust Apple with privacy over Google. It takes raging, irrational hatred for Apple, or blind adulation for Google, to not understand that. Just about the only internet company I’d trust even less with privacy is Facebook, but I suppose that went without saying.)

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Thank you for the English lesson. Yes I meant hypocrite. English is not my native language, sorry.

And here is one word for you : naïve.
I don't know you. All I have to go by are your words, and you speak Apple cool aid... If that offended you I'm sorry.
And, yes, they were caught lying many, many times.. 

I don't trust any of them. Apple, Google, Facebook whatever.  They are all money making corporations that have no morale at all. For them moral behavior is weakness that stands in a way of profit.
And Apple is hypocritical, because they say "they care for privacy". They don't. They care for public image (in service of making profit)  and if saying "they care for privacy" is creating them profit they are going to say it. And even be prepared to do something about it that is visible and looks good for their image.

They are receiving 9 billion USD from Google for something. And despite you waxing poetic about semantic differences between "letting Google get data that Apple collects" and "letting Google collecting data from Apple devices like they were surfing internet on Android" to the user it is the same. They get both Google and Apple spying on them. And Facebook if they use that one.

It's classic example of "follow the money".

tooki:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 14, 2021, 03:08:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on October 14, 2021, 02:38:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 14, 2021, 01:51:17 pm ---Like a good Apple fanboy you didn't even read it did you?

Apple default browser default search engine IS Google.  Google apparently gets 9 billion of USD worth of Apple users private data, otherwise they wouldn't pay that much.
And Apple is happily selling it...

So yeah, they are all shit. At least Google is not "lie through the teeth" bigot like Apple.

--- End quote ---
First of all, watch your tone, dude.

I did read it. But I also understood it. Google has been the default search engine since forever.

But that doesn’t mean Apple is selling user data it collected. Yes, leaving Google as the default means Google can collect more data, and clearly they think that’s worth the $9B. But that’s a very, very different thing from saying that Apple is selling data to Google, like Siri searches or map information.

You do realize that the entire reason Apple spent ungodly amounts of money developing Apple Maps is because to get Google maps turn-by-turn directions, they would have had to share user information with Google that Apple simply refused to do? If Apple didn’t care about privacy, they would have gone the easy route and just given Google the data. Instead they built an entire mapping infrastructure. If that’s not a commitment to user privacy, I don’t know what is.

There’s zero substance to your claim of Apple lying. (And calling them a “bigot” makes no sense whatsoever. A bigot is someone who holds prejudices, like a racist or sexist. You probably meant “hypocrite”, though there’s equally little evidence for that, either.)

Nobody is saying Apple is perfect. But I damned well trust Apple with privacy over Google. It takes raging, irrational hatred for Apple, or blind adulation for Google, to not understand that. Just about the only internet company I’d trust even less with privacy is Facebook, but I suppose that went without saying.)

--- End quote ---

Thank you for the English lesson. Yes I meant hypocrite. English is not my native language, sorry.

And here is one word for you : naïve.
I don't know you. All I have to go by are your words, and you speak Apple cool aid... If that offended you I'm sorry.
And, yes, they were caught lying many, many times.. 

I don't trust any of them. Apple, Google, Facebook whatever.  They are all money making corporations that have no morale at all. For them moral behavior is weakness that stands in a way of profit.
And Apple is hypocritical, because they say "they care for privacy". They don't. They care for public image (in service of making profit)  and if saying "they care for privacy" is creating them profit they are going to say it. And even be prepared to do something about it that is visible and looks good for their image.

They are receiving 9 billion USD from Google for something. And despite you waxing poetic about semantic differences between "letting Google get data that Apple collects" and "letting Google collecting data from Apple devices like they were surfing internet on Android" to the user it is the same. They get both Google and Apple spying on them. And Facebook if they use that one.

It's classic example of "follow the money".

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It is not naïveté (nor blind fandom) to question and reject the unfounded hysteria that’s often created around Apple. A huge portion of the accusations lobbed against Apple are plain and simply untrue (and fail even basic scrutiny).

It is absolutely not “waxing poetic” to have a nuanced, deep understanding of the huge difference between allowing Google to collect data (on the search engine that everyone would select even if it weren’t the default) vs actively sharing data with Google!! The data Apple could collect and share, but doesn’t, goes far beyond what Google can collect through web searches alone. Imagine if Apple shared your health data from your paired watch, or your location in real time, your contacts, or the contents of your text messages, or recordings of your phone calls, or the log of what words you type most often. (Apple doesn’t share any of those.) There would rightfully be outrage if they did that, because they’re in no way equivalent. What can be collected via web searches is bad enough. But these others would be just as bad, if not much worse, and Apple doesn’t share those.

As for motivations: on the one hand, who cares if money is the motivation for doing the right thing? If privacy is a way that Apple wants to set itself apart, is the end result not the same? Apple has been been slowly disentangling itself from Google, and has been working actively to undermine user data collection, both for others and itself. (For example, Siri requests are now processed on-device, not on Apple’s servers.) And they can’t lie about it, because they’re under constant scrutiny by outsiders keen to catch Apple in… anything. (Your lie about Apple being caught in lie after lie is proof of that.)

Now, I have good reason to believe that Apple does actually care about users, but as I said, even if “caring” is just a business decision, it only works if you back it up with the goods. And in that, they deliver.

(Except in the choice of Mac models, which hasn’t made me happy in a long time, and in the inexplicable move to unusable flat interfaces. Apple has made some real “wtf were they thinking?!?” decisions with those…)

Caliaxy:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 14, 2021, 01:51:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on October 14, 2021, 12:53:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 14, 2021, 11:32:24 am ---https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/28/apple-google-default-search-privacy/

Just trust Apple...   >:D

--- End quote ---
I’ll trust Apple way sooner than I’ll trust Google!

--- End quote ---

Like a good Apple fanboy you didn't even read it did you?

Apple default browser default search engine IS Google.  Google apparently gets 9 billion of USD worth of Apple users private data, otherwise they wouldn't pay that much.


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Beyond being grossly exaggerated (Apple doesn't sell user's data per se, at least not the way inferred here, as already pointed out by others) this is not actually an issue.

Safari's default search engine out of the box is, indeed, Google. But it takes exactly three taps on the screen to change that for good (the fourth tap is choosing you preferred search engine).

rdl:
These days you can't really use a wireless phone or the internet without being tracked/spied on to some degree. I can't remember the last time I visited a web site of any significance that didn't have google embedded in some way.

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