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| NiHaoMike:
--- Quote from: thinkfat on October 15, 2021, 04:27:01 pm ---You'd have to be really hardcore about privacy if you accepted the near-complete loss of functionality that de-googling an Android phone brings along. --- End quote --- What do you lose other than the Google apps and services you never wanted to use to begin with? Then there's microG as a replacement. https://microg.org/ --- Quote from: tooki on October 15, 2021, 10:16:07 pm ---The Google Contributor program (which let you pay per-site to disable Google ads) was discontinued years ago, revived briefly, and then left to wither again. But there’s never been a program where you could, say, pay $20 a month and disable all Google ads and tracking across all websites. --- End quote --- It was trying to compete with free adblockers, an obvious losing battle. |
| Halcyon:
--- Quote from: tooki on October 15, 2021, 11:26:58 pm ---You’re talking about things within a paid Google service. Of course it’s not going to show ads there. But having a Google workspace account isn’t going to stop Google ads elsewhere. --- End quote --- Even with free Google services, it's not hard to either disable tracking(in some circumstances), block them, manipulate them or essentially anonymise them. It just depends on you, the user and what details you provide and how things are configured on your end. For example, logging into non-Google websites using your Facebook/Google/Apple/Whatever account is a terrible idea. If you have any care about privacy at all, you would never do this. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: Halcyon on October 16, 2021, 02:38:38 am --- --- Quote from: tooki on October 15, 2021, 11:26:58 pm ---You’re talking about things within a paid Google service. Of course it’s not going to show ads there. But having a Google workspace account isn’t going to stop Google ads elsewhere. --- End quote --- Even with free Google services, it's not hard to either disable tracking(in some circumstances), block them, manipulate them or essentially anonymise them. It just depends on you, the user and what details you provide and how things are configured on your end. For example, logging into non-Google websites using your Facebook/Google/Apple/Whatever account is a terrible idea. If you have any care about privacy at all, you would never do this. --- End quote --- I still fail to see how any of that makes Apple less trustworthy with regards to privacy. Nor does it support your claim that one can pay Google to get rid of ads and tracking. And Apple’s login system is designed for privacy, heck, it includes an anonymizer option. Read up on it before you bash it. |
| Halcyon:
--- Quote from: tooki on October 16, 2021, 01:42:59 pm --- --- Quote from: Halcyon on October 16, 2021, 02:38:38 am --- --- Quote from: tooki on October 15, 2021, 11:26:58 pm ---You’re talking about things within a paid Google service. Of course it’s not going to show ads there. But having a Google workspace account isn’t going to stop Google ads elsewhere. --- End quote --- Even with free Google services, it's not hard to either disable tracking(in some circumstances), block them, manipulate them or essentially anonymise them. It just depends on you, the user and what details you provide and how things are configured on your end. For example, logging into non-Google websites using your Facebook/Google/Apple/Whatever account is a terrible idea. If you have any care about privacy at all, you would never do this. --- End quote --- I still fail to see how any of that makes Apple less trustworthy with regards to privacy. --- End quote --- It doesn't. I also never claimed it did. I was just refuting some of your claims as an actual security researcher and someone who has worked in the field for years. All I am saying is they all use the same tactics and play all the same tricks. Being an Apple user doesn't make you immune to any of it, just like you aren't immune to malware or phishing scams etc.... If you want to be in 100% complete control of all of your data and the infrastructure it sits on, then pay someone the big bucks or host your own services and hope that you don't accidentally misconfigure something. As for everything else I've mentioned, it's all easily verifiable in the public domain. Feel free to read up on it, or better yet, test it out for yourself. |
| thinkfat:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on October 16, 2021, 12:43:27 am --- --- Quote from: thinkfat on October 15, 2021, 04:27:01 pm ---You'd have to be really hardcore about privacy if you accepted the near-complete loss of functionality that de-googling an Android phone brings along. --- End quote --- What do you lose other than the Google apps and services you never wanted to use to begin with? Then there's microG as a replacement. https://microg.org/ --- End quote --- You lose the "Play Store" and with it you lose all other apps, too. Apps are the single, most important feature that "make" a smartphone. Selling Android phones without Google stuff has been tried and everyone failed, and each time the reason was "no apps available". If you want to keep using all the popular apps, you need to download them from sketchy servers, trading privacy for security (and you cannot have privacy without security). As for Google services, they are valuable to many. Ad revenue is an important driver for content creators. YouTube is the best example. MicroG does not give you that. So, you effectively get an expensive phone that does nothing a Nokia 6310 could not also do. |
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