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Aliexpress dodgy GST tax
brucehoult:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 01, 2024, 01:55:22 am ---One more dubious use of VAT, though, is when selling second-hand products. What's the value added in this case, and in effect VAT will have been paid several times on the same goods. Ah, the beauty of taxes.
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If the person selling those second-hand products is GST-registered then they get to claim back the GST on any decrease in value between when they bought them and sold them.
If the entity buying the used goods is GST-registered then they also can claim back the GST component (i.e. 13.04% here in NZ where GST is 15%)m whether the used-seller is GST registered or not.
And the non GST-registered seller effectively (but unofficially) also gets back the GST component of the used goods they sell, as the price implicitly includes GST, but they don't have to tell the government they sold it. i.e. people who are not GST-registered effectively get back the GST on things they bought i/when they later sell them, rather than in their next GST tax return.
pcprogrammer:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 01, 2024, 01:55:22 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on March 29, 2024, 02:40:57 pm ---Buy two things, get credit on VAT paid for those, then sell with VAT on a full value. It's the same as if you did not pay VAT to your suppliers to begin with.
It's like arguing what's more expensive, $120 thing with $20 rebate or $100 thing with no rebate. It's only consumer that does not get the rebate at the end of the chain.
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Yes. Normally, only the customer at the end of the chain really pays the VAT.
One more dubious use of VAT, though, is when selling second-hand products. What's the value added in this case, and in effect VAT will have been paid several times on the same goods. Ah, the beauty of taxes.
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What about sending something from the UK to the EU. Even if it is a gift they slap on import duties that make your head spin.
pcprogrammer:
First time buyer will also show up when you are not logged in.
As soon as you log into Aliexpress and have an order history the price will jump up to it's normal value. The only way to profit from it would be registering as a new customer every time, but maybe they also check on shipping address or payment account. I never tried it.
Brian of Romsey:
I've experienced vendors where the shipping goes up a small amount for the second unit but outrageously for subsequent units. I've sometimes found it cost effective to make several purchases of smaller quantities of the same thing. I believe the expression is "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" so I'm happy to game them.
pcprogrammer:
--- Quote from: Brian of Romsey on April 01, 2024, 07:52:02 am ---I've experienced vendors where the shipping goes up a small amount for the second unit but outrageously for subsequent units. I've sometimes found it cost effective to make several purchases of smaller quantities of the same thing. I believe the expression is "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" so I'm happy to game them.
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Yep, it makes shopping more of a task. :-DD
I have seen this with resistors where adding different values up to 5 did not raise the shipping cost and then adding a 6th one doubled the shipping. Up to number ten the same cost, to triple it on number eleven. So there the economizing was to add just the right amount to benefit from the lowest average shipping costs.
Your type I have also seen for things like the bluepill or Arduino nano. In that case indeed, order the minimum amount per order. At times when I did this, they stuck them in the same envelope anyway. :-DD
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