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magic:
Well, there is, but then the seller would likely not accept full refund so the case would go to AE customer support and they would want me again to bother with all that "video evidence" and they probably wouldn't understand much of it and just tell me to send the crap back for a refund. But returning is what I wanted to avoid dealing with - see the post above.

I mean, look at their response. They already are willing to accept that something might be "defective" about the parts (based on my pictures of black paint, basically) but they want me to send them back or take 50% refund.

That's why I push the counterfeit angle. I hope/expect that maybe they would be willing to refund 100% in such case, but I just can't get them to admit that the chips are indeed counterfeit |O

Another business days in China is passing without response, so I guess it's time to crack this shit open and look for original logos and part numbers.


--- Quote from: langwadt on January 11, 2022, 12:34:04 am ---find some parts on tape in a similar package ;)

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He surely deserves it, but the markings are visible from outside so I would have to fake it somehow ;)
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: magic on January 11, 2022, 09:19:58 am ---[...]
Another business days in China is passing without response, so I guess it's time to crack this shit open and look for original logos and part numbers.
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How bad is the fake chip - does it fail clear specifications from the data sheet?  That would be a good thing to demonstrate...

Is it possible to get a high quality picture of the real deal off the Internet, and do an A to B comparison?  Or is the fake very good looking...
magic:
At this point the problem is that they want me to send the chips back. And I don't want to send them back because I'm lazy and because the seller could make a fuss that they are unpacked and partly damaged and I suppose I would risk ending up with no money and no chips. I would rather take 50%.

I don't think that demonstrating poor specs would change their minds about it. They would just say it's "quality" problem, so return them and get your money back. I really want to turn that second line green and see if new perks are unlocked by achieving this level ;D

BTW, they were supposed to be ISL21009 FGA voltage references so you would reasonably expect the cheapest bandgap rubbish if they are fake. Sure enough, I just opened one and it looks like Noopy's pics of REF01 so I guess it's REF02. There is even PMI logo on it, so I may be able to point it out.

I could power them up and nail them on tolerance and power consumption, but I feel like it's futile. However, REF02 sell for absolute peanuts on AliExpress (prolly recycled or fake, but not my problem) so I'm tempted to request the difference between what I paid and the going price of Chink REF02 and see what happens.
SilverSolder:

You've got the evidence you need now, well done!   I would go balls-out, all in now!   >:D

The case is being reviewed by non-experts.  So simplified "simple" and "bold" complaints are best.  What's the simplest, shortest, boldest claim that can be made to a lay person that is still defensible?

"The items I received are integrated circuits type REF02 by PMI which have been fraudulently altered and re-marked to look like ISL21009 (see attached pictures).   The items I received are not usable, have no commercial value, and are clearly in violation of AliExpress policies on counterfeit goods.  Please grant my reasonable request for a full refund.  If seller wishes the fraudulent items returned, I am willing to do that at seller's expense only."


What's seller going to do...  "Wait, my fakes are based on REF01 and I want more $"?  :D   



tszaboo:
Yes, they ask you to jump through hoops to get your refund.
Look at this for one purchase that I made some time ago. I asked for a refund out of principle, because I don't get scams slide, no matter how small. And they came back to me to do additional bunch of things for 1 EUR, even after uploading a photo...  |O


--- Quote ---Problems with the order   Judgement from AE   Invalid Reason   Proof Guide
parameter not as described   Invalid   Unable to identify your claim, please clarify your claim stating the problem of the goods you have received   
Please take a clear picture of the product and mark out the discrepancies.

Color not as described   Invalid   No problem is shown in the evidence   Dear buyer, we can't see the difference between the product you purchased and the seller page product. Please give another proof, thank you for your understanding.

Solutions:
  Option 1: Return goods   Full refund  1.07 EUR ( Buyer pays the returning shipping fee)
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