https://icashier.alipay.com/error.htm?errorId=c4320ff9e48d82890e20566cb022354b&orderId=01050060130095fa4d8aa1640e6b1935This is not only suspicios from their side, but also a violation of law.
This is not only suspicios from their side, but also a violation of law.
What law? I've had plenty of businesses require similar ID, including reputable mobile companies* wanting similar scans/photos of documents. I'm pretty certain this is them actually trying to conform with anti ID theft and card theft laws, even if I may not personally agree with the method.
*Well as reputable as they get :-\
Our laws strictly forbid to make any copies or photos of personal ID cards. With the only exception, when the rightful owner of the document is willing to share the information on the card.
I am not willing to share my ID number with them, neither am I willing to make a photo of it - at all.
So what do you think, should I share it with them? I do not consider it much safe.
I will also try to contact their customer service, if they have anything to say.
To ensure the safety of your personal information, please kindly remind do not submit your personal ID or card information in the form of screenshot. Thank you!
Seems like it's voluntary. :-\
From this page and popup:
http://us.ae.aliexpress.com/buyer/buyerIndexNew.htm (http://us.ae.aliexpress.com/buyer/buyerIndexNew.htm)
We'd Love to Learn a Bit More about You!
For a better shopping better experience, please fill in and provide the following personal data. AliExpress will retain and use such personal data for the following purposes: [Better Recommendations, Customized Shopping Experience, Optimized Business Analysis]("Service and Function"). If you refuse to provide such personal data, you may not be able to use and be provided with the "Service and Function". AliExpress will protect your personal data in accordance with our Privacy Policy.
Lack of "Service and Function" (whatever that is ?) and all this other shite never enhanced my shopping experience.
I am sorry to inform you that currently Alipay Accounts cannot be cancelled yet.
However, if you don’t want to use Alipay Account, you may leave it alone first.
It will not affect other functions such as payment and refund in AliExpress.
https://intl.alipay.com/help/agreements/detail.htm?agreement=AlipayServiceAgreementSeems like it's voluntary. :-\
From this page and popup:
http://us.ae.aliexpress.com/buyer/buyerIndexNew.htm (http://us.ae.aliexpress.com/buyer/buyerIndexNew.htm)
We'd Love to Learn a Bit More about You!
For a better shopping better experience, please fill in and provide the following personal data. AliExpress will retain and use such personal data for the following purposes: [Better Recommendations, Customized Shopping Experience, Optimized Business Analysis]("Service and Function"). If you refuse to provide such personal data, you may not be able to use and be provided with the "Service and Function". AliExpress will protect your personal data in accordance with our Privacy Policy.
Lack of "Service and Function" (whatever that is ?) and all this other shite never enhanced my shopping experience.
Of course, it is voluntary. But if you don't like to share your whole privacy with them, then you cannot use their service. The web page (screenshot in first post of this thread) will always appear when trying to make any payment, demanding your ID.
tautech: Yes, it is to confirm your account details. But to do this, you absolutely have to give them the required ID and photos. There's no way around it (as far as I know). The support officer "Maryl" has also insured me that I have to do such verification.Most stuff can be bypassed with garbage, just tried. :-DD
I have tried the verification process (too see what it's like). You check ur name, fill in your birth date, select nationality and then there is the personal ID card editbox.
And then it continues with address, telephone numbers and other stuff i don't remember, as I was really concerned only about the personal ID.
I am sure the requirement will quietly vanished, as will their customers if they in force it. In any event you can just buy the same tat on eBay.
Ok, so please tell us, what happens next. As I have understood, they do a manual check after. (after filling the info, you have a "verification status" that will disappear after they do a manual check).DSO info screenshot as below.
I haven't quit my account yet, as I am still missing 8 or more items. If there will be no solution how to bypass the IDs after I receive my order, I will probably quit my account. As there really is no point for me, to use a service, where they try to steal your identity (with whatever "it is good for mankind" bullshit) and then you don't receive anythin until 2 months and even after 2 months from order it is uncertain if it will ever arrive. (And that is, to a central Europe).
Tautech: Btw: You have to also upload a photo after filling this data. What will you upload then?
A Merchant may request but must not require a Cardholder to provide additional
identification information as a condition of Card acceptance, unless such information is
required to complete the Transaction, such as for shipping purposes, or the Standards
specifically permit or require such information to be collected.
A Merchant in a country or region that supports use of the MasterCard Address Verification
Service (AVS) for MasterCard POS Transactions may require the Cardholder’s ZIP or postal code
to complete a Cardholder-Activated Terminal (CAT) Transaction, or the Cardholder’s address
and ZIP or postal code to complete a mail order, phone order, or e-commerce Transaction.
PayPal... meh... have linked my card to it years ago and gladly there weren't a single issue (which cannot be said of some ebay sellers).To be fair, Paypal requested my ID scan after I received certain amount of money in my account.
But Alipay requiring you to SCAN A PERSONAL ID card... holy cow...
Why wouldn't be enought to make the verification same way as Paypal does (at leas did, years ago): Gave you a bank account numbers, and said "pay a few bucks, we will then enable your account and return you those few bucks". Was simple, piece of cake.
I decided to open an AliPay account because, well, AliExpress is great and all but I may need to dig deeper into China and get stuff from Taobao for example ;)As I figured out Alipay for westerners != Chinese Alipay. It seemed to be useless except for Aliexpress (At least was in Summer). Figured out because there was no way to pay for a purchase on Rakuten. You cannot use your login with Alipay mobile app too.
What? The bastards. I wanted to find a mail forwarder so I could send all my cheap Taobao shite in bulk for the 1cent international postage too. :palm:I decided to open an AliPay account because, well, AliExpress is great and all but I may need to dig deeper into China and get stuff from Taobao for example ;)As I figured out Alipay for westerners != Chinese Alipay. It seemed to be useless except for Aliexpress (At least was in Summer). Figured out because there was no way to pay for a purchase on Rakuten. You cannot use your login with Aliexpress mobile app too.
Tautech: Btw: You have to also upload a photo after filling this data. What will you upload then?
... especially in this day and age where just about anybody could mock up a fake ID on their computer.There are plenty of companies that can create "authentic" fake physical documents of any type for you. Need an utility bill showing that you live at the White House, or a $500 000/monthly salary slip from CIA - not a problem.
Tautech: Btw: You have to also upload a photo after filling this data. What will you upload then?
My first thought.... (http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/minion/images/1/1b/Check-in-minion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140516030342)
:-DDTautech: Btw: You have to also upload a photo after filling this data. What will you upload then?
My first thought.... (http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/minion/images/1/1b/Check-in-minion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140516030342)
I thought the goal was to NOT use your own (real) image. That looks exactly like Tautech.
You guys must be crazy if willing to give your ID with photo and associated information to Chinese.I quite agree, but if one plays their cards right with questions asked to sellers, often they'll offer their email address and you then can choose trade privately. Many have Paypal accounts.
Especially if this is in exchange to a privilege to buy $1 shit.
:-DDTautech: Btw: You have to also upload a photo after filling this data. What will you upload then?
My first thought.... (http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/minion/images/1/1b/Check-in-minion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140516030342)
I thought the goal was to NOT use your own (real) image. That looks exactly like Tautech.
Na, I've got more hair. ;D
You guys must be crazy if willing to give your ID with photo and associated information to Chinese.I quite agree, but if one plays their cards right with questions asked to sellers, often they'll offer their email address and you then can choose trade privately. Many have Paypal accounts.
Especially if this is in exchange to a privilege to buy $1 shit.
But through Aliexpress your money was safer and you also had robust avenue to address problems with the goods, a far better system than eBay IMHO. This I'm sure has been the secret of Aliexpress success.
I think for some reason their software decided that you are committing suspicious activity.
I'm in WA state, and I can't even order from ALI - as they...., so they have blocked me and everyone else in Seattle and the PNW completely. ...It's not worth my time to deal with that.The other way around, Asian goverments coming up with excuses/regulations/exceptions to block USA company services, is very communist/protective/totalitarian.
I'm sure they could care less about that. Rules are rules!For ordering parts (especially with poor availability), ebay is pretty much useless compared to Aliexpress. About crap banana jacks, you can find crap parts on both places, actually most of what is sold is a crap. And I'm pretty sure your "?ood banana jacks" were available on aliexpress too, unless they were bought from the US seller.
I'm in WA state, and I can't even order from ALI - as they haven't paid their tax (some state import tax id), so they have blocked me and everyone else in Seattle and the PNW completely.
http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba (http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba)
No worry for me. I find ebay resellers are so worried about feedback, that they sell better items. For example, on Ali, I bought a set of female banana jacks. They came with nuts to secure them that were less them 1.5mm thick. Total junk. On ebay, They come as 2.5-3mm thick. Very nice. Cost difference is less then an american dollar. It's not worth my time to deal with that.
I'm in WA state, and I can't even order from ALI - as they haven't paid their tax (some state import tax id), so they have blocked me and everyone else in Seattle and the PNW completely.
http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba (http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba)
I'm in WA state, and I can't even order from ALI - as they haven't paid their tax (some state import tax id), so they have blocked me and everyone else in Seattle and the PNW completely.
http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba (http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba)
Just enter another state, I use OR, the ZIP code is all that matters for correct delivery. Worked for me so far (10+ orders).
The special state license for escrow money transfer sounds like a racket to protect some local rent seekers. There are plenty of schemes like that in WA. (don't get me started on why there's a need for a private middle-man to get car tabs)
I'm in WA state, and I can't even order from ALI - as they haven't paid their tax (some state import tax id), so they have blocked me and everyone else in Seattle and the PNW completely.
http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba (http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba)
Just enter another state, I use OR, the ZIP code is all that matters for correct delivery. Worked for me so far (10+ orders).
The special state license for escrow money transfer sounds like a racket to protect some local rent seekers. There are plenty of schemes like that in WA. (don't get me started on why there's a need for a private middle-man to get car tabs)
That changed a few months ago. WA residents can now use AliExpress. I've already ordered from them a few times without any problems.
Car tabs middle man? Must be a local issue. I've never needed that. Here in Clallam county the local DMV mails me my tabs.
If I understand right, do you mean WA was expecting AliExpress to collect state tax for them? That law could not have held.I strongly suspect that there are thousands of examples of where it is happening even as you are reading this sentence.
I'm in WA state, and I can't even order from ALI - as they haven't paid their tax (some state import tax id), so they have blocked me and everyone else in Seattle and the PNW completely.
http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba (http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-residents-shut-out-from-mega-e-tailer-alibaba)
Just enter another state, I use OR, the ZIP code is all that matters for correct delivery. Worked for me so far (10+ orders).
The special state license for escrow money transfer sounds like a racket to protect some local rent seekers. There are plenty of schemes like that in WA. (don't get me started on why there's a need for a private middle-man to get car tabs)
That changed a few months ago. WA residents can now use AliExpress. I've already ordered from them a few times without any problems.
Car tabs middle man? Must be a local issue. I've never needed that. Here in Clallam county the local DMV mails me my tabs.
If I understand right, do you mean WA was expecting AliExpress to collect state tax for them? That law could not have held.