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Just a single chip containing all your personal information. No need for keys, credit cards, passport or smartphone anymore.

Yes! This will be the future of freedom and I want to be part of it.
3 (6.8%)
No, I prefer to live with my bunch of personal ID's, keys and passwords.
30 (68.2%)
Consipiracy! Conspiracy everywhere!
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Author Topic: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?  (Read 9631 times)

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Offline brabus

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All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« on: September 03, 2016, 05:19:54 pm »
A recent discussion brought me my recurrent thought.
In order to live a normal life, I have to get out of my house every day with the following items:

- Cash
- Credit card
- Debit card
- Identity card
- Driving license
- Company RFID
- Smartphone
- Company phone
- House keys
- Car keys

Not to mention bicycle keys and/or passport, depending on where I need to go.
Not to mention the 5 or 6 passwords I need to type every day into various services.

If I lose any single one of those items, it's a monumental PITA (except from cash, maybe).

So, I would definitely like to wear a safe-enough underskin chip which could substitute all of the mentioned items - life would be so much easier.
Safety issues? Ok, let's talk about your PayPal account or your contactless credit card.

Who is joining the community?  :)
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2016, 05:38:02 pm »
Yes - but I hope at no point to come across criminals who want my wallet and decide to chop my arm off to get at the chip! Wallet is likely easier to replace.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2016, 05:38:21 pm »
Well they all have some disadvantages depending on how cynical you are.

A cashless society puts a significant part of your liberty in the hands of some poorly paid/trained person working for a bank, possibly in India. Or your Government, which may be even more inclined to make you homeless for political reasons.

The ability to independently and remotely verify your identity is great for a cop pulling you over, but technically you don't have to say anything.

I don't want someone chopping my arm off to steal my car or loot my house.

This is why people only use them for cats.

If there was a way to mentally disable/enable them with a predefined thought pattern, then maybe. But we may as well wait for implantable computers to be invented.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2016, 05:59:12 pm »
I'm sure every government in the world would love to help you out with this serious problem. I think there is far too much potential for abuse, data theft, and most importantly, loss of privacy.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2016, 06:04:31 pm »
I still want to be untraceable from time to time. In a world where privacy is almost gone the only thing left is choosing which of your thoughts/information are to be shared.
A thing i liked when i visited arizona/colorado.. and in eastern europe.. was that at any moment i could get off the main road and get to literaly freaking nowhere

I don't want someone chopping my arm off to steal my car or loot my house.

this is important too. see what happens when they steal your car (with you inside of course) in south america/africa. Every week our south african partner has a new story to tell us.
User SeanB also sharess some tales on the subject from time to time
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2016, 06:10:12 pm »
- Cash
- Credit card
- Debit card
- Identity card
- Driving license
- Company RFID
- Smartphone
- Company phone
- House keys
- Car keys

Cash: I do have a little with me, just in case someone come to me and ask for money with a gun.
Debit card: I use it all the time.
Credit card: I do not spend future money.
ID card: combined with driver license.
Driver license: I bring one with my, just in case being pulled over.
RFID: not needed for most of the time, but I still carry them.
Smartphone: cannot live with out it for apparent reason.
Company phone: I do not have one.
House keys: on the same ring with car key.
Car key: for apparent reason, it must be with me.

So, the bottom line is I have a key ring, 4 cards (driver license, campus ID, company ID and debit card) and some cash with me in one pocket, and ear pods and smartphone in the other pocket.
I do not feel the need of integrate things together since they do not take up any significant space of my pockets, and I can walk easily for hours with them in my pockets.

I would like if one day my debit card and RFIDs combine together, but I will never want my driver license/gov't ID be combined with my bank card -- that only makes fraud easier as anyone can just go to a bank and use my ID info and debit card to draw money, or worse, create a credit account.

The key idea is I am not trying to hide from the gov't -- they always have more resource than you. Trying to overpower the gov't is not smart. There is another system called democracy to control the gov't, but that only protects the majority. To save your ass, just do not be the minority. On the other hand, I am trying to protect myself from thugs on the street, which can and will fraud your money.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2016, 06:27:10 pm »
Cash: I do have a little with me, just in case someone come to me and ask for money with a gun.

LMAO
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2016, 06:56:42 pm »
Cash: I do have a little with me, just in case someone come to me and ask for money with a gun.

LMAO

Only in America. Seriously, this happens. One of my friends gets robbed in his car by an armed black under a traffic light.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2016, 07:10:13 pm »
I think most of the things in the list, the exceptions being cash, keys, and phones, could be done with the Estonian ID card.  From what I've heard it's a pretty decent system too.

In practice I wouldn't want anything implanted that was selected on the basis of being the lowest bidder or having the best salespeople (or bribes), which seems to be the way these things usually goes...
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2016, 07:17:39 pm »
Cash: I do have a little with me, just in case someone come to me and ask for money with a gun.

LMAO

Only in America. Seriously, this happens. One of my friends gets robbed in his car by an armed black under a traffic light.

Haven't had the traffic light one, but can check the other 3 times.........

I liked that Nokia 8110i phone, I had it for over a decade, and had the car kit for it as well.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2016, 10:35:51 pm »
When I went through japan we had an rfid pass and in that situation I would, but probably not for everything.

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2016, 11:17:03 pm »
When I went through japan we had an rfid pass and in that situation I would, but probably not for everything.

Is that suika card? It can be used in many convenience stores, and virtually all public transportation tools.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2016, 12:06:21 am »
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One of my friends gets robbed in his car by an armed black

"asked for a donation by an angel", you should have said, :)

Otherwise, the fact is highly offensive to many people and politically incorrect to the rest. Haven't you learned that from your campus training on "safe space" and "micro aggression"?
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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2016, 12:14:16 am »
"asked for a donation by an angel", you should have said, :)

Otherwise, the fact is highly offensive to many people and politically incorrect to the rest. Haven't you learned that from your campus training on "safe space" and "micro aggression"?

Allowing one certain race to do shit, or giving a certain race privilege from being criticized is racism. Had it be a white or Asian offender I would have said "... by an armed white/Asian".

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2016, 12:21:22 am »
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Who is joining the community?

If you look at the evolution on a grand scale, you will see a gradual integration of humans and machines: we ride in vehicles, fly in airplanes, lift with cranes, and calculate with computers, etc. Some of us wear pace makers, or even worse.

It is likely that in the foreseeable future, we will see more and tighter integration, and embedded ID cards, or embedded computers are truly a possibility.

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2016, 12:24:36 am »
Yes, but not the phones. Becuase I can leave my phone this way, and feel freedom.
Someone should solve that you dont need passwords on websites finally, that would be the day.

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2016, 12:34:36 am »
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I think we live in a time where everyone is equal, but some more equal than others, :)
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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2016, 01:19:30 am »
When I went through japan we had an rfid pass and in that situation I would, but probably not for everything.

Is that suika card? It can be used in many convenience stores, and virtually all public transportation tools.

It was just the tourist JR pass. We were only there a month.

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2016, 11:38:22 am »
So I also answered no. I'm happy with the situation as it is, where I could get off-grid by just letting some items at home. That's a piece of freedom I wouldn't want to miss. What I really would like is replacing physical with "mental" information.
Don't have your wallet? Just pay with Paypal. Drivers license missing? Passport missing? Don't have your company RFID with you? Just log in here.
That would be really neat when done right.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2016, 11:55:59 am »
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Allowing one certain race to do shit,...

I think we live in a time where everyone is equal, but some more equal than others, :)

Inequality is a huge issue.

In Australia, we imprison people off shore including children who claim to be asylum seekers, and yet we allow selected foreigners (mostly shadowy rich people from China) to queue jump and purchase permanent residency here with few questions asked. That is inequality. Public privilege should never be one base upon wealth. Ironically, Labor invented this scam, but the Liberals embrace it.

In China, inequity is massive. Ignoring the corrupt communist party comrades, first line managers there "earn" 11 times the workers wages on average. In Australia it is 1.5 times.

In the US, Bill Gates has a net "worth" of $US88 billion. That's 5% of the US GDP. Sure he gives some away to good causes, but why is he fighting so hard to make more money? In contrast, a poor usually black man in the US gets released after being in jail for 25 years after DNA testing proved he is innocent but he does not get a dime in compensation (in many US states). No-one will hire him, not because of lack of skills but because of his "record". In backwater states like Louisiana, he does not even get a bus ticket out of Angola and the rest of his life is one of poverty and stolen opportunities, as the rich "good 'ol white boy" judge wishes him well in his future endeavours. That is inequality. On their one dollar note they say In God We Trust. It's utter :bullshit:.

Inequality is the biggest risk to the fabric of a cohesive society. It will likely lead to the downfall of the Communist Party in China within a few years and probably the downfall of USA Inc. unless something is done to improve equality. Remember what caused the French Revolution - inequality. I recall seeing a documentary which analysed the fall of 22 of the world's great empires. 19 were destroyed from within.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2016, 11:58:26 am »
- Cash
- Credit card
- Debit card
- Identity card
- Driving license
- Company RFID
- Smartphone
- Company phone
- House keys
- Car keys
There surely is room for compression, problem is that too many services are closed by design.
It could be possible to buy 1 "personal" ID card at a govt office, and with the built-in magnetic/rfid/nfc/other code you can register that card for most of the above services. There is no de-facto argument that makes it impossible to register ID cards in a company/personal access system.
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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2016, 12:07:47 pm »
Inequality is a huge issue.
True, we see the term "inequality" being used for the BIG issues by establishment millionaires every day.
At least, the times we watch the subsidized propaganda TV channels.

Public privilege should never be one base upon wealth. Ironically, Labor invented this scam, but the Liberals embrace it.
Nothing ironic here. From the start it was always known that (labor=liberal=socialist) are the guys who organise ghettos and poverty,
and want to keep it or expand it.

Inequality is the biggest risk to the fabric of a cohesive society.
No, a subsidized hostile fundamental religious invasion is the biggest risk.
I have absolutely no problem with people 10x ritcher than me.
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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2016, 01:44:57 pm »
I have absolutely no problem with people 10x ritcher than me.

Neither do I. But a someone who is 10 MILLION times richer, exploits the masses to the point where kids are starving, then you end up with a revolution. Heads roll.

One of Louis XVI's big mistakes was allowing the working poor in to service is palace and grounds of Versailles. Word of the opulence got around among the masses. The Chinese leadership censors knowledge of their families' billions of dollars in wealth from the Chinese masses for the same reason. In China, you will get imprisoned or made to disappear for publishing anything to do with the wealth of the communist leadership's families. A couple of years ago the Chinese government launched a cyber attack on certain US media after they published that the top 70 communist party members' families shared $90 billion in wealth. The communist government's biggest fear is the spread of information to their masses which can threaten the wealth or status quo of those in power.

In the West, the rich often hide themselves behind high walls and security guards or live in gated communities where their consciences cannot be pricked by having to see the poor. There were some good documentaries about that on Netflix in the USA.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2016, 02:32:41 pm »
In China, inequity is massive. Ignoring the corrupt communist party comrades, first line managers there "earn" 11 times the workers wages on average. In Australia it is 1.5 times.

In the US, Bill Gates has a net "worth" of $US88 billion. That's 5% of the US GDP.

I like this. Compared to the "equal" European society, I more prefer a more competitive society, where people are pushed to work hard for the same revenue because the society develops faster.
Also, I do not want to put it into a strict political debate, but I find Nazi sometimes is more superior than the nowadays society. I'm not seconding them for killing Jews or initiating wars, but what I like is the concept of no mercy to the inferior people.
Mother nature had done this billions of years to get rid of pathetic genes, and the evolution of human race is being actively halted by human themselves under the name humanity and equality, what a joke.
What a highly competitive society does is exactly what mother nature does: poor people do not have money to buy cars and houses, so not get married, then their gene extinct.

Let me ask you another question, if you are a Chinese boss, and you want to hire someone very capable that he can easily find a job in the western that makes $10k/month, then how are you going to do this? Pay him 1.5x average Chinese wage at $1k/month? That won't get you the person you want.
So everything boils down to jungle rule. When resource is enough (such as the case of Europe) everyone lives with each other peacefully. When resource is not enough, people will fight for resource. The one who wins is the one who is stronger. The same thing applies to Chinese society: bosses are competing for high level employees, and low level employees are competing for jobs. Therefore, the highest bidder gets the top employee, and the lowest bidder gets the job.

Inequality is the biggest risk to the fabric of a cohesive society. It will likely lead to the downfall of the Communist Party in China within a few years and probably the downfall of USA Inc.

Both countries you mentioned know exactly how to maintain stability. For instance, in China only the middle class gets their wealth deprived, because the government knows that if you have houses and cars and bonds, you won't take arm against the government. Only very rich people with thought or very poor people with starvation may disintegrate the society, and hence the very rich minorities are "being shut up", and the very poor people having special privilege in China compared to mid class.

The same thing happens in the US, poor people are allowed to having basic life and the law enforcement is less stringent to them, and the mid class, which are less likely to start a revolution, is paying for them.
 

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Re: All-in-one underskin chip - would you?
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2016, 03:05:53 pm »
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I like this. Compared to the "equal" European society, I more prefer a more competitive society, where people are pushed to work hard for the same revenue because the society develops faster.
oh yes. i had a discussion on the subject with a pal of mine which is trying to get the green card :)

I personally like the european system... everybody is being assfucked all the time by high taxes but in the moment i have to go to the doctor for whatever reason or pay for education i don't have to sell a kidney, my unconceived son and put a morgue on the house, like i would in the US. For most of the procedures i have to pay a nominal fee and for almoss all the others i have to pay the same i would for a single day of hospital room in the US... We have private (excellent) clinics too if the public healtcare in my specific area is not too good
 


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