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Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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langwadt:

--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on June 26, 2020, 06:58:52 am ---
--- Quote from: amyk on June 26, 2020, 01:48:27 am ---Considering how many flights that airline has made, it looks like those fake pilots are, while not as good as the real ones, still surprisingly good...

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I was thinking the same thing. Apparently two areas of deception are proxies - getting someone else to take the exam, and falsifying training hours, e.g. claiming to be Pilot in Command (PIC) for a training flight when you were basically a passenger.

Although paper exams are traditional, they are not very effective at teaching skills, particularly where the skills involve muscle memory, management of dynamic situations. It is really hands on experience where proficiency is acquired. I would guess after a few hundred hours flying on type, you will have achieved enough skill to handle 99% of conditions.

I don't think we know yet if either pilot in the PIA 8303 accident had any "fake" qualifications. While their incompetence was egregious, it is not unique. There have been several accidents where the actions of the flight crew seem inexplicable (excluding deliberate actions to destroy the aircraft). Other pilots express disbelief that simple incompetence is the cause, and suggest "incapacitation", due to fumes, medical reason etc etc. I don't think any of those accidents was ever proven to be incapacitation. The pilots screwed up all any themselves.

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I think it is because this doesn't seem like a simple error or oversight caused it, it was error upon error upon error and ignoring numerous warnings and what is supposed to be hard requirements on what needs to be done when

Howardlong:

--- Quote from: amyk on June 26, 2020, 01:48:27 am ---Considering how many flights that airline has made, it looks like those fake pilots are, while not as good as the real ones, still surprisingly good...

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While it is unnacceptable, it’s not clear to me how many are fraudulent exam takers and how many lack recent testing, currency or type ratings. It might be someone who hasn’t got a current medical for example. Any way you look at it it’s unacceptable, but that might explain why these “fake” pilots are still “surprisingly good”.

Syntax Error:
Identifying fake candidates is only difficult when only the managers are allowed to do the hiring. Or put another way, after five minutes face to face with real workers, the fakes will shine through!

Whether recruiting pilots, EEs, IT people or even dog walkers, those who are experienced in the must be in on the interview.

However, the pool of available candidates is often squewed by the monkeys we call recruitment consultants, who seek CVs on keywords - using software. And fake candidate CVs are always stuffed with the correct keywords.

Worse, third party contractors and consultants fill your project with "top rank" Phd and MBA level staff whose qualifications you'll never be able to verify - even if it's obvious to your own staff that these guys know f* all.

As for pilots, there are plenty of cases where companies hire pilots with the wrong certification for the aircraft type. But in a margin squeezed industry, it's not just the pilots who'll have fake cerftifactions, many of their aircraft spares will have too.

edy:
This thread reminds me of this scene for some reason...  :-DD


chickenHeadKnob:

--- Quote from: pickle9000 on June 26, 2020, 05:47:32 am ---This reminds me of Korean Air Flight 801, the pilot flew the plane into a mountainside and the copilot seen it coming but didn't take control.

Flip that and look at the "Gimli Glider" an out of fuel 767 landed with such skill it's hard to imagine.

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With respect to the "Gimli glider" what people mostly forget is that the electrical fault to the fuel measurement circuit was only the prelude to the cluster-f**k of errors made by the maintenance crews and Pearson and Quintal themselves. They caused the aircraft to run out of fuel. The best summary of the flight that I heard is :"they did everything wrong up to the point of fuel starvation over Dryden and then did everything right to save the bacon"

The Air Transat 236 event was very similar, but that case was not caused by the aircrew screwing up to begin with. Some errors were attributed in their interpreting of the alarms that were occurring mid-flight.

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