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Alphaphoenix -- How does electricity find the path of least resistance?
aetherist:
ELEKTONS & ELEKTICITY & ELEKTRONS FOR BEGINNERS.
1. A good conductor of elekticity can be called a metal.
2. A metal is a good conductor of elekticity.
3. A metal has a thin layer of elektons on its outside surface – that is what makes it a metal.
4. Non-metals do not have a layer of elektons on their surfaces.
5. Elektons are photons that hug the surface….
6. Whilst propagating at the speed of light in the medium touching the surface (eg air)(eg plastic insulation).
7. Elektons move in every direction on the surface of a say Cu wire – but (eventually) mainly along.
8. The propagation speed of elektons duznt depend on the kind of metal – all kinds of metals give the same speed.
9. The ruffness of the surface slows the speed of elektons – due to the extra distance up&down over the ruffness.
10. Elektons have a negative charge, equal to the charge attributed to the (silly) standard electron.
11. Elektons go straight ahead – except that their trajekt is affected by other elektons (due to repulsion).
12. Hence, after a while, elektons tend to move mainly along a wire (albeit in both directions).
13. And, elektons follow the surface.
14. If the surface of a wire duz a u-turn (eg at the blunt end of a wire) then elektons do a u-turn at the end (koz the surface duz a u-turn)(ie elektons follow the surface).
15. Elektons form a thin negatively charged outer surface layer due to repulsion from atomic elektrons.
16. Atomic elektrons are photons that orbit (hug) an atomic nucleus.
17. The outer orbital elektrons escape from the nucleus, & form an outer layer of elektons (now hugging the general surface rather than hugging individual nuclei).
18. The elektons are attracted to the positively charged nuclei.
19. Different metals will have a different degree of saturation of elektons.
20. The better conductors will have a denser saturation of elektons.
21. A battery can supply elektons at the positive terminal….
22. And rob elektons at the negative terminal.
23. The supply etc of elektons can result in what we call voltage, or potential.
24. The supply etc of elektons can result in what we call charge.
25. A dead-end length of wire touching a positive terminal will be saturated with elektons going both ways along the wire (doing u-turns at the dead-end).
26. Elektons do not reflekt off or at a dead-end (they do a u-turn).
27. When the flow of elektons going each way is equal then their magnetic fields cancel…
28. And hence their nett magnetic field is zero (in the far field)….
29. And there is no heat loss in the wire.
30. A dead-end length of wire touching a negative terminal will be saturated with elektons going both ways along the wire (doing u-turns at the dead-end).
31. The numbers of elektons going up & down a dead-end wire will depend on the degree of saturation.
32a. The degree of saturation will depend on the surface area available etc….
32b. And whether the wire has a coating of insulation.
33. This saturation creates what we call resistance….
34. Or, if u like, this resistance creates saturation (many processes are chicken'&'egg).
35. Once u have learnt the above rules then u will understand that if u somehow discharge/short/earth a length (L) of wire, then u can expect that the primary discharge will take a duration of 2L/c seconds (ie it wont take L/c seconds).
36. And the discharge voltage will be V/2 (ie it wont be the more obvious V/1)
37. And if that there wire is insulated then the duration will take 3L/c seconds (as per (6) & (32b)).
Enuff for today.
AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: aetherist on May 11, 2023, 10:38:57 pm ---On the contrary -- your answers/theory are a pseudo-scientific equation salad -- the real answers are based on real tests, which your silly theory fails.
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I posed no theory, I made an observation, which continues to hold true. The fact that you are (apparently) unable to tell the difference is not a surprise; it follows your pattern exactly.
--- Quote from: aetherist on May 11, 2023, 10:38:57 pm ---Its like this……….
Electron electricity is a model, it aint reality.
The electron equations are in effect models of models. They give good numbers in some cases, but fail in other ways.
My elekton elekticity ticks all boxes.
One strike & my elekton elekticity is out.
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Prove it.
Produce equations that explain the observations of reality.
Outline a repeatable experiment that tests these equations.
Until you do this, no-one will take you seriously, and for good reason. Your ideas are as aethereal as the name you use to describe them; they have no substance whatsoever.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on May 12, 2023, 07:50:59 am ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on May 11, 2023, 10:38:57 pm ---On the contrary -- your answers/theory are a pseudo-scientific equation salad -- the real answers are based on real tests, which your silly theory fails.
--- End quote ---
I posed no theory, I made an observation, which continues to hold true. The fact that you are (apparently) unable to tell the difference is not a surprise; it follows your pattern exactly.
--- Quote from: aetherist on May 11, 2023, 10:38:57 pm ---Its like this……….
Electron electricity is a model, it aint reality.
The electron equations are in effect models of models. They give good numbers in some cases, but fail in other ways.
My elekton elekticity ticks all boxes.
One strike & my elekton elekticity is out.
--- End quote ---
Prove it.
Produce equations that explain the observations of reality.
Outline a repeatable experiment that tests these equations.
Until you do this, no-one will take you seriously, and for good reason. Your ideas are as aethereal as the name you use to describe them; they have no substance whatsoever.
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True u posed no theory. But we can assume that u believe one of the standard theories of electricity. So, for starters, allow me to advise that all of the standard electricity theories fail to predict or explain the measured discharge of a capacitor – as shown by the Wakefield Experiment(s) – see links below.
The Wakefield X shows that a capacitor takes twice as long to discharge, with a half of the voltage, when compared to the silly electron electricity predictions (or if u prefer, the silly Poynting Field or Poynting Vector predictions).
The true measured results support Ivor Catt's energy current -- & support my elekton elekticity.
But both can't be correct.
Some links are as follows……….
http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x343.pdf
https://beyondmainstream.org/the-wakefield-experiments-background-and-motivation/
http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x68k.htm
http://www.naturalphilosophy.org/site/harryricker/2015/12/12/the-wakefield-experiments-background-and-motivation/
http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x2571.pdf
http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/9652.htm
http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x2574.htm
http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x2573.pdf
PlainName:
--- Quote ---Some links are as follows……….
http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x343.pdf
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He postulates that on closing the relay the drop to half voltage is caused by half the charge rushing one way at the speed of light and half the other way at the speed of light. That latter then bouncing off the end and following the first down the now closed connection.
My question on this, which also applies to your:
--- Quote ---11. Elektons go straight ahead – except that their trajekt is affected by other elektons (due to repulsion).
12. Hence, after a while, elektons tend to move mainly along a wire (albeit in both directions).
--- End quote ---
How does the stuff (your elektrons, his charge) know the wire goes this way or that? Surely the stuff will go in every possible direction, thus there won't be a flow along an unconnected wire. At best, only a very small proportion will be aimed along the wire and the majority will be aimed at the sides. True, they will bounce off the sides and effectively move along the wire, but in that case you wouldn't see a sharp transition where half the charge exits and then the other half catches up. It would be a gradual change as all the non-aligned stuff bounces along and exits after a much longer travel.
You could also say that half the charge (elektons) are moving to one side of the wire and the other half the other side. That would be just as valid using your logic, but you don't hint at that.
TimFox:
Current conduction in metals.
Consider DC current in CopperweldTM copper-coated steel wire.
https://www.copperweld.com/
The DC resistance of a length of such wire is a function of the cross-sectional areas of the two materials, not the surface.
This can be tested yourself with an ohmmeter, or you can consider the manufacturer's data in their website.
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