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Zero999:

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Against what?

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This should explain it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press

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That's essentially the same as the free speech thing: it prohibits the state from doing stuff. Amazon isn't a state and can do whatever they want, unfettered by this 'protection' stuff. There is actually nothing wrong with that, legally or morally, but many freedom of speech advocates conflate 'everyone and everything' with 'the state'.
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The problem is the state and private companies are intertwined. A lot of the censorship on social media has come governments threatening them with more regulation.
jpanhalt:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 24, 2023, 03:01:41 pm ---The problem is the state and private companies are intertwined. A lot of the censorship on social media has come governments threatening them with more regulation.

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As I mentioned earlier, there are "backdoor" approaches that limit free speech in America, both for individuals and corporations.

Everyone knows about the exception to free speech for yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.  Less obvious is an example I quote in context from a well known judge in Ohio, "You can burn the American flag, but you cannot burn a cross." The former is protected free speech; the latter is considered a threat to a protected class. 

Businesses are subject to that same backdoor and an additional approach based on the "Commerce" clause in our Constitution that allows government(s) to regulate businesses.  For example, there are rules regulating advertising alcoholic beverages and tobacco.  One recent example is the AG of Minnesota has threatened Target for moving LGBTQ-centered merchandise displays to less prominent locations in its stores.  Fourteen other state AG's joined in the letter.  The basis was discrimination against another protected class.

It's complex, and as the number of protected classes increases, restrictions are increasing.
RJSV:
PlainName:
   Sorry, but I beg to differ, and strongly so.

   Yup, call it 'controversy', call (this) a personal attack (a term often used, in substitute for a simple 'Shut up', we folks don't entertain any conspiracy theorist....
   United States has a big problem, with media and large corporations getting tangled up together in very inappropriate ways.  Go ahead, dismiss dismiss dismiss.  Next thing, you might be starting to call (myself) an 'Anti-Vaxer' Musk lover.

   United States has a big problem, with media and state actors sharing info obtained through shady channels.  My 'rants', above, initially are a reference to the newly emphasized tactic, that is, smear your critics.  Gaslighting and all that, of course not new, but has become a central playbook to distract from incoming criticism.

   Some folks, here, have all but abandoned the idea of confronting (the improper relations between certain state actors and many media outlets, including Amazon in whatever capacity they use PR).
That is because FACTS don't get through, or seem to get traction, verbally.  Just a stiff armed block and a dismissive retort.
   I'm responding, mainly, for other readers here, that might care to think for themselves.
TimFox:

--- Quote from: jpanhalt on June 24, 2023, 04:17:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 24, 2023, 03:01:41 pm ---The problem is the state and private companies are intertwined. A lot of the censorship on social media has come governments threatening them with more regulation.

--- End quote ---

As I mentioned earlier, there are "backdoor" approaches that limit free speech in America, both for individuals and corporations.

Everyone knows about the exception to free speech for yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.  Less obvious is an example I quote in context from a well known judge in Ohio, "You can burn the American flag, but you cannot burn a cross." The former is protected free speech; the latter is considered a threat to a protected class. 

Businesses are subject to that same backdoor and an additional approach based on the "Commerce" clause in our Constitution that allows government(s) to regulate businesses.  For example, there are rules regulating advertising alcoholic beverages and tobacco.  One recent example is the AG of Minnesota has threatened Target for moving LGBTQ-centered merchandise displays to less prominent locations in its stores.  Fourteen other state AG's joined in the letter.  The basis was discrimination against another protected class.

It's complex, and as the number of protected classes increases, restrictions are increasing.

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A large number of KKK-style cross-burning episodes burned a cross on the property of an unwanted person, with obvious intent.
https://psmag.com/news/cross-burning-is-more-common-than-you-think-72781
Zero999:

--- Quote from: TimFox on June 24, 2023, 04:56:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: jpanhalt on June 24, 2023, 04:17:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 24, 2023, 03:01:41 pm ---The problem is the state and private companies are intertwined. A lot of the censorship on social media has come governments threatening them with more regulation.

--- End quote ---

As I mentioned earlier, there are "backdoor" approaches that limit free speech in America, both for individuals and corporations.

Everyone knows about the exception to free speech for yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.  Less obvious is an example I quote in context from a well known judge in Ohio, "You can burn the American flag, but you cannot burn a cross." The former is protected free speech; the latter is considered a threat to a protected class. 

Businesses are subject to that same backdoor and an additional approach based on the "Commerce" clause in our Constitution that allows government(s) to regulate businesses.  For example, there are rules regulating advertising alcoholic beverages and tobacco.  One recent example is the AG of Minnesota has threatened Target for moving LGBTQ-centered merchandise displays to less prominent locations in its stores.  Fourteen other state AG's joined in the letter.  The basis was discrimination against another protected class.

It's complex, and as the number of protected classes increases, restrictions are increasing.

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A large number of KKK-style cross-burning episodes burned a cross on the property of an unwanted person, with obvious intent.
https://psmag.com/news/cross-burning-is-more-common-than-you-think-72781

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That's obviously different to one's own private property.

In the UK, actor Laurence Fox, put a film of him burning some Pride flags in his back garden and has been investigated by the police for a hate crime.  I see it as a stilly stunt, rather than a hate crime. I can see why it will offend some people, but I can also understand why he did it. Either way, he should have the right to do it. No one was harassed, or harmed by his actions.
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