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james_s:

--- Quote from: jpanhalt on June 24, 2023, 04:17:28 pm ---Everyone knows about the exception to free speech for yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.  Less obvious is an example I quote in context from a well known judge in Ohio, "You can burn the American flag, but you cannot burn a cross." The former is protected free speech; the latter is considered a threat to a protected class. 

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I don't see how burning a cross on your own property could be considered a threat. Burning a cross in someone else's yard is certainly a threat.

jpanhalt:
@james_s

One way to find out.  Do it in your front yard.  Or, go to any demonstration in which the American flag is being burned and burn a cross. 

Did you follow the Bubba Wallace affair in which he accused someone at NASCAR of hanging a noose (Google: Bubba Wallace noose)?  Even the FBI got involved to determine whether it was a "hate" crime.  The "hate crime" specification is a slippery slope and has already been abused several time.  Unfortunately, such imaginary "crimes" -- like the Amazon example for this thread -- are never prosecuted.  In the meantime, the lives of those falsely accused are ruined. 

gnuarm:

--- Quote from: langwadt on June 12, 2023, 09:00:27 pm ---how much Stockholm syndrome does someone need to have to only "seriously consider" dropping Amazon after being treated like that?

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I've never been an Amazon fan.  They would never notice my absence.  Maybe I should buy a bunch of stuff, then cancel my account.  Make them sorry I left.

james_s:

--- Quote from: jpanhalt on June 25, 2023, 09:44:57 am ---@james_s

One way to find out.  Do it in your front yard.  Or, go to any demonstration in which the American flag is being burned and burn a cross. 

Did you follow the Bubba Wallace affair in which he accused someone at NASCAR of hanging a noose (Google: Bubba Wallace noose)?  Even the FBI got involved to determine whether it was a "hate" crime.  The "hate crime" specification is a slippery slope and has already been abused several time.  Unfortunately, such imaginary "crimes" -- like the Amazon example for this thread -- are never prosecuted.  In the meantime, the lives of those falsely accused are ruined.

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I'm not going to try it because I know people would find it offensive and I don't want to offend people, however offending people is not a crime here.

Yes I do remember that Bubba Wallace incident, and I thought it was hilarious that it blew up to that extent and then turned out that the "noose" was a simple door pull to enable shorter people to close the rollup door and that it had been there for years. It's a perfect example of one of those situations where someone is looking for hate and bias and sees it all around them in benign things.

Personally I don't think "hate crime" should even be a legal concept. A crime is a crime, it makes no difference what motivated the crime. If a person is assaulted or murdered it doesn't matter if it's because the perpetrator didn't like some aspect of their affiliation with a protected class, just wanted to steal their wallet, or engaged in a totally random attack for reasons unknown, the result is exactly the same.

james_s:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on June 25, 2023, 11:43:22 am ---I've never been an Amazon fan.  They would never notice my absence.  Maybe I should buy a bunch of stuff, then cancel my account.  Make them sorry I left.

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They won't notice even then, the entire process would be handled by mostly automated systems, you'd be just another drop in the bucket of overall statistical data.

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