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coppice:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on June 29, 2023, 10:16:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on June 29, 2023, 09:06:24 pm ---
--- Quote ---I've noticed as society has become progressively safer, the bar to what constitutes harm has been lowered.
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When seat belts became compulsory A&E departments went quiet, then the injured slowly crept back up. Saying the best safety measure for a car is a big spike sticking out of the middle of the steering wheel is not just said in jest. People slowly bring their risks to some equilibrium. Now society has become so safe they are making up bogus risks to achieve some weird kind of equilibrium.
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Oh, yes. When I drive, I don't worry with the speedometer. I maintain a constant risk level as indicated by the risk-o-meter. I'm so glad they added those. I understand Tesla is going to incorporate that into the autopilot, enabling the car to operate at speeds only limited by perceived risk.
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Now there speaks someone who has never looked at the statistics of how people actually behave when regulations change.
james_s:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on June 29, 2023, 10:16:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on June 29, 2023, 09:06:24 pm ---
--- Quote ---I've noticed as society has become progressively safer, the bar to what constitutes harm has been lowered.
--- End quote ---
When seat belts became compulsory A&E departments went quiet, then the injured slowly crept back up. Saying the best safety measure for a car is a big spike sticking out of the middle of the steering wheel is not just said in jest. People slowly bring their risks to some equilibrium. Now society has become so safe they are making up bogus risks to achieve some weird kind of equilibrium.
--- End quote ---
Oh, yes. When I drive, I don't worry with the speedometer. I maintain a constant risk level as indicated by the risk-o-meter. I'm so glad they added those. I understand Tesla is going to incorporate that into the autopilot, enabling the car to operate at speeds only limited by perceived risk.
--- End quote ---
That's not how it works, it's not like people perform some kind of scientific calculation, but they are definitely less cautious the safer they perceive the vehicle to be. People will text, play with the radio, drive too fast for conditions, etc, and this is getting worse and worse.
james_s:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on June 29, 2023, 10:17:50 pm ---It's especially annoying that the annual death rate is still so high. In the US, it's around 30,000 to 35,000 each year. If those safety features are not going to save us all, then we need to ditch them and let every man fend for himself!
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That's bordering on a strawman argument. We don't need to ditch all the safety features, but I do think we could ditch some of them. Get rid of stuff like lane departure warnings and automatic lane holding, automatic braking, etc. I'd love to get rid of automatic transmissions too but I know that would never fly. Now they need stuff like active stability systems because people are too dumb to figure out that a stupidly tall SUV doesn't handle like a roadster. When you reduce driver workload it is enabling people to focus on other things, most often that is their mobile phone, or sometimes the gadgets integrated into the car itself. These stupid infotainment systems are so complicated that people play with the touchscreens on those while flying down the highway and don't pay attention to where they're going. Then there are the backup cameras and backup warning systems that people become completely reliant on, multiple times I've seen somebody back right over something because it didn't trigger the stupid beeping sound and they weren't even looking behind them. There needs to be a focus on pushing people to focus on DRIVING THE CAR when they're driving a car. Put down the phone, quit fooling with the radio, stop putting on makeup, eating lunch and everything else, and just drive the goddamned car, that's your one task when you're behind the wheel. Whenever I bus to the office I constantly see people doing all manner of things while driving that in my mind you just don't do. When I drive, I focus 100% on driving, and the result is after nearly 3 decades of doing so I have still never caused an accident.
gnuarm:
--- Quote from: james_s on June 30, 2023, 12:25:10 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on June 29, 2023, 10:16:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on June 29, 2023, 09:06:24 pm ---
--- Quote ---I've noticed as society has become progressively safer, the bar to what constitutes harm has been lowered.
--- End quote ---
When seat belts became compulsory A&E departments went quiet, then the injured slowly crept back up. Saying the best safety measure for a car is a big spike sticking out of the middle of the steering wheel is not just said in jest. People slowly bring their risks to some equilibrium. Now society has become so safe they are making up bogus risks to achieve some weird kind of equilibrium.
--- End quote ---
Oh, yes. When I drive, I don't worry with the speedometer. I maintain a constant risk level as indicated by the risk-o-meter. I'm so glad they added those. I understand Tesla is going to incorporate that into the autopilot, enabling the car to operate at speeds only limited by perceived risk.
--- End quote ---
That's not how it works, it's not like people perform some kind of scientific calculation,
--- End quote ---
Sure they do. Don't you have a risk factor setting on your cruise control?
--- Quote ---but they are definitely less cautious the safer they perceive the vehicle to be. People will text, play with the radio, drive too fast for conditions, etc, and this is getting worse and worse.
--- End quote ---
So, we do need to put a spike on the steering wheel? To prevent fast lane changes and cornering, the wheel itself should have razor blades. We can find all manner of things to make cars seem more dangerous. I bet that will make the much safer.
I'm not going to stop saying stupid things, until you do. :P
gnuarm:
--- Quote from: james_s on June 30, 2023, 12:33:33 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on June 29, 2023, 10:17:50 pm ---It's especially annoying that the annual death rate is still so high. In the US, it's around 30,000 to 35,000 each year. If those safety features are not going to save us all, then we need to ditch them and let every man fend for himself!
--- End quote ---
That's bordering on a strawman argument.
--- End quote ---
Which side of the border? Will I need a passport to cross?
--- Quote ---We don't need to ditch all the safety features, but I do think we could ditch some of them. Get rid of stuff like lane departure warnings and automatic lane holding, automatic braking, etc.
--- End quote ---
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I give your opinions all the consideration they deserve.
--- Quote ---I'd love to get rid of automatic transmissions too but I know that would never fly. Now they need stuff like active stability systems because people are too dumb to figure out that a stupidly tall SUV doesn't handle like a roadster. When you reduce driver workload it is enabling people to focus on other things, most often that is their mobile phone, or sometimes the gadgets integrated into the car itself. These stupid infotainment systems are so complicated that people play with the touchscreens on those while flying down the highway and don't pay attention to where they're going. Then there are the backup cameras and backup warning systems that people become completely reliant on, multiple times I've seen somebody back right over something because it didn't trigger the stupid beeping sound and they weren't even looking behind them. There needs to be a focus on pushing people to focus on DRIVING THE CAR when they're driving a car. Put down the phone, quit fooling with the radio, stop putting on makeup, eating lunch and everything else, and just drive the goddamned car, that's your one task when you're behind the wheel. Whenever I bus to the office I constantly see people doing all manner of things while driving that in my mind you just don't do. When I drive, I focus 100% on driving, and the result is after nearly 3 decades of doing so I have still never caused an accident.
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You seem to be the type of person who thinks everyone else is a moron. All problems are caused by others being morons. Your entire rational is that other people drive like morons, so instead of making the roads safer by any means we can, we should simply whine about how other people are causing all the problems on the roads.
I hope that someday, you might actually look at a fact. But then you would need to recognize it, which you might be no longer able to do.
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