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SiliconWizard:
Beyond the law, I think it's a very cultural thing.

In my own (limited) experience with scandinavian countries (I've been to Norway, Sweden and Finland), norwegian people appeared to be the more well-behaved when it comes to driving.

Simon:

--- Quote from: PlainName on July 03, 2023, 07:13:24 pm ---
--- Quote ---Here in Helsinki, at pedestrian crossings where there are no traffic lights, about half of the drivers assume pedestrians will stop and wait, even though the law says the opposite should happen.
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Here in the UK the rule is that drivers should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross, and must give way to pedestrians on a crossing. There are strict meanings for 'should' and 'must', so if one is 'making progress' then a waiting pedestrian is fair game whereas one with a foot on the crossing wins. Most drivers seem to either not know the detail of the rules or just generally considerate.

edit: source

--- Quote from: https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/rules-for-pedestrians-crossings.html ---Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Drivers and riders should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross and MUST give way to pedestrians on a zebra crossing (see ?Rule H2). Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.
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The law in the UK is totally misrepresented in most peoples head. It's not actually law but it is. Most pedestrians will retort that they have right of way, they do not! What they fail to realize is that the highway code is like any other standard written like a program. If this then that. So the whole I have right of way to be in your way bullshit comes from the fact that a pedestrian has precedence over a car in the terms that if a car does come across a pedestrian that should not be there, then he does not have the right to mow the pedestrian down. Many mistake this for I have the right to do whatever i please.

There have been recent changes that seem to confuse things and sound like they pander to the convenient misconceptions of idiots rather than tell the idiots to learn to read and to do just that to the high way code. If you are to cross on a straight peice of road, the last time I looked at the highway code it made clear that a pedestrian has the responsibility of ensuring that they only cross if they can get to the other side without obstructing cars. It also states that pedestrians may not, probably must not actually "be in the road for no other reason than crossing". So basically when that twat just walks out into the road sticking his fingers up at you, it is he that is in the wrong but sadly you are not in the right so hit him, and no explaining will convince the dense jerk otherwise.

TimFox:
@tggzzz:
"That's true in all trains! Only on Norwegian trains have I seen the carafes of water."

Answer:  passenger trains in the US have potable water plumbing.
https://www.epa.gov/dc/epa-amtrak-agreement-helps-ensure-drinking-water-safety-trains

Nominal Animal:
Here in Finland, the law states that if the pedestrian is on the pedestrian crossing or is ready to cross at one, the motorist has to let them cross unimpeded.

Merging back to the original topic, how does anyone tell that better/tolerant culture yields better results (compare road culture wrt traffic accidents and deaths), to large companies?

It is interesting to me how the negative developments I saw in academia have now reached even large multinational companies, which risk more than ever by letting ideologically programmed people at the Cxx level.

I mean, in a politically charged environment with a near even split, it is obvious that being apolitical and walking the centerline makes the most business sense, because any deviation will only reduce your customer base.  Switching from one to the other (Like Bud Light) makes no business sense at all; and remotely disabling home appliances because of an accusation, when the company is trying to push home automation and "smart" home appliances, seems absolutely counter to business interests.

In many Western countries, there are laws that require publicly traded companies' officers to put owners' financial interest in front of personal interests, with the ability of the owners to sue the officers for damages etc. if they fail to do so.  Apparently, because the owners are now large companies themselves with their Cxx-level officers having the same ideologically loaded university education and background, this does not seem to be a concern anymore.

Note: My point stands regardless of whether one agrees the ideas pushed are good or not.

Simon:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 03, 2023, 08:20:50 pm ---Here in Finland, the law states that if the pedestrian is on the pedestrian crossing or is ready to cross at one, the motorist has to let them cross unimpeded.


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At designated crossings yes. For example pedestrian or pelican crossings. However the pedestrian must ensure the vehicle stops, they can't just launch onto it. I had a guy walking down the street pushing a buggy just swivel the buggy sideways with no warning an without looking behind him which is where the traffic (me) was coming from onto a zebra crossing, you can't do this. I watched when the "lollipop lady" was out helping kids across the road, the children are supposed to wait until she walks out into the road, the cars know this. I assume that the general idea is that the children cross in batches of sensible sizes regulated by the lollipop lady so that cars are not at a standstill and she ensures children cross the road properly. I saw her go running after a stupid kid that decided he should not have to play by the rules forcing a car to stop sharply, that stupid cow went running out after him vindicating his rule breaking. When i was a child crossing that very same crossing we had a different lollipop lady, her name was carol, she even came to the school to talk about how it all worked, you simply did not disobey carol and if she was on duty that kid would have got an earful, she certainly would have not gone dashing out after him like a pathetic groveling slave, all she did was help him create a personality that will one day get him killed or injured and no doubt the driver will get the blame.

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