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| artag:
--- Quote from: PlainName on June 13, 2023, 03:07:15 pm ---Easy for a geek to say (and sometimes do), but for Joe Normal it's a high bar to cross. --- End quote --- Then that's a product opportunity. Sell an 'alexa in a box' that does the whole thing, and doesn't use the cloud. And don't expect it to be maintained remotely :). |
| bdunham7:
--- Quote from: PlainName on June 13, 2023, 03:07:15 pm ---Easy for a geek to say (and sometimes do), but for Joe Normal it's a high bar to cross. The smart clouds make it dead simple to set up and program, trivially so. Having to buy the right specific model you can reflash to use some half-baked local thing (and then dick around with router ports for remote access) is going to lead to manual switches and a cupboard of unused sockets. --- End quote --- If people demanded cloudless smart devices, or at least ones that still work without internet or accounts, perhaps they would be produced. I will understand, for example, if my Enphase solar system stops giving me nice web-based data and messages either because the internet is out or the company is shut down. I wouldn't be happy if they shut me down over a tweet, but in any case the system itself would remain in operation and I would still have local access to the data. Accepting a system where your toilet won't flush if some remote system operator disables your account is just stupid. It's not just technical failures or companies publicly shedding customers for their tweets that we have to worry about. How much further do we have to go before your refrigerator demands to serve you an advertisement before it lets you have a beer? Or your laser printer refuses to print a document it deems offensive? I think we're 99% there already. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---If people demanded cloudless smart device --- End quote --- Why would they? The current products work fine and are super-easy to use. No-one sits there and thinks, "You know, what would be better is to make this remote access unavailable and have an extra machine to load up with stuff I don't know how to set up or maintain." At best they might look at Apple and buy their stuff. Tales like the one here are just things that happen to other people. It would take serious outages of several competing systems to wake people up, and then there's the problem of knowing that alternatives exist. |
| langwadt:
--- Quote from: PlainName on June 13, 2023, 03:42:37 pm --- --- Quote ---If people demanded cloudless smart device --- End quote --- Why would they? The current products work fine and are super-easy to use. No-one sits there and thinks, "You know, what would be better is to make this remote access unavailable and have an extra machine to load up with stuff I don't know how to set up or maintain." At best they might look at Apple and buy their stuff. Tales like the one here are just things that happen to other people. It would take serious outages of several competing systems to wake people up, and then there's the problem of knowing that alternatives exist. --- End quote --- something like someone dying because they were locked out of their AC or heating, might change things |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---something like someone dying because they were locked out of their AC or heating, might change things --- End quote --- A one-off wouldn't. It'd be just "one of those things". You'd need it to happen on at least a semi-regular basis, and the major response would be "they could've just flipped the switch manually." |
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