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Amazon: the shittiest, most ghastly company on earth
Bassman59:
--- Quote from: Raj on June 29, 2021, 08:04:56 am ---But I don't understand the appeal of apple at all.
How come people are paying so much for a mediocre devices that are expensive to buy and repair. And they also go obsolete quickly.
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You're wrong on both accounts. I'm writing this on a 2017 MacBook Pro that is still supported by OS updates. When I bought it, its price was about the same as a similarly-equipped business class Dell laptop.
Since you obviously don't like the products (for whatever reasons), you feel compelled to piss on them. I don't understand that.
Oh, and Apple just replaced the keyboard/trackpad/battery assembly for free.
--- Quote ---I've never seen an Iphone or android that can even play a YouTube video without bugging out after 5 years of use.
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What does that even mean?
schmitt trigger:
Greed. Is. Good.
Full stop.
bson:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 29, 2021, 01:38:53 pm ---One of first agents identified as troublesome was synthetic human oestrogens, which have a feminizing effect on male brown trout after they have been consumed as birth control pills by human women (whole body dose 20-100 micrograms/day), excreted, passed through waste treatment facilities and passed back into watercourses -
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Natural estrogen has the same effect and is also excreted in urine. And there's a whole lot more of that than synthetics.
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: bson on June 29, 2021, 10:45:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 29, 2021, 01:38:53 pm ---One of first agents identified as troublesome was synthetic human oestrogens, which have a feminizing effect on male brown trout after they have been consumed as birth control pills by human women (whole body dose 20-100 micrograms/day), excreted, passed through waste treatment facilities and passed back into watercourses -
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Natural estrogen has the same effect and is also excreted in urine. And there's a whole lot more of that than synthetics.
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Natural oestrogen biodegrades much faster than synthetics, the synthetics having been explicitly engineered for stability to enable them to be packed up as pills. Synthetic oestrogen was the first (and rather obvious) candidate to be explored in the face of observed feminisation of fish, the real issue is the whole panoply of other man made oestrogenic compounds that get dumped into the environment. Subsequent to fingering synthetic oestrogens it has turned out that there are a huge range of man made compounds and their breakdown products that act as endocrine disruptors or have reproductive toxicity. (My ex-wife was a student of Sumpter's and also worked for a while in the reproductive toxicity research lab for a very large chemical company that actually took a surprisingly forward thinking and responsible attitude to knowing what they were doing instead of just dumping the stuff they were making into the environment, which is I know way more about this than I've any right to.)
The point is that we've known about this stuff for a long time - I'm blathering on from stuff I learned 40+ years ago - and we collectively still haven't got around to taking adequate measures to prevent these assorted compounds getting into the environment in biologically significant quantities, coincidentally over exactly the same period that computers have gone from "that big thing in the air conditioned room over there" to the ubiquitous, always-on, always-connected, thing in everybody's pockets, so it isn't from a lack of technological development capability over the same period. As with dealing with rapacious companies destroying perfectly good products for reasons of, basically, greed, there has been a lack of political will to tackle the problem.
GlennSprigg:
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on June 29, 2021, 09:11:03 am ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on June 29, 2021, 08:56:14 am ---The logical (and ridiculous) extension of this is telling Amazon 'I don't want this item, but give me a refund and I'm prepared to dispose of it at no further cost to you'.
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You say that like it's not already SOP for a lot of sellers/products. :)
Tim
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I'm reminded of years ago, looking after security systems in Prisons. They had massive productions of vegetables in one country
prison, that served them, and certain other prisons. After that, they monthly Bull-Dozed literally TONS of food back into the ground!
They said they are not allowed to sell it, as they are not allowed to 'compete' with other local businesses... So I asked about 'giving'
it away to the many homeless shelter managers/organizers, for example, the 'Salvation Army' here in Australia...
They said they can't even do that!, as they often buy (at a very reduced rate) such produce from people & organizations, and so are
cutting them out of their business!! So just constantly bulldozed into the ground. (And I mean a LOT!). That's politics... :palm:
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