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An expensive TV is a poor investment, and people spend FAR too much on them

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coppice:

--- Quote from: tooki on February 11, 2022, 04:19:21 pm ---Gigantic LCDs can look really good. A huge part of the flaws come down to the sources used and the image processing done in the TVs.

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I wonder how sustainable the market for high end TVs might be? Last year we replaced our high end LG 55" 4K LCD TV from 2013 with a current basic LG model of the same size (I think the old TV died because of a BGA connection problem, but fixing it would have been a PITA). The new one is WAYYYYYY better than the old one. Sure, the top of the line current models look better than the one we bought, but the difference is no longer the huge gulf it used to be, and the price difference is quite large. We just didn't think the difference was worth it.

tom66:

--- Quote from: james_s on February 11, 2022, 05:49:59 pm ---The advantage projectors have is size, the picture can be really, really big, and very economical. The physical unit can be very small, for example mounted to the ceiling with a screen you lower while using. Below about 80" though LCD or OLED is going to look a lot better.

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Arguably that advantage is diminished by the fact that I can buy a 65" OLED TV for about ~$1500 USD equivalent now.
 
A 4K projector + screen equivalent is going to be butting against that in terms of cost.  I might be able to get 80" or 90" screen size but brightness is going to suffer.  And unless I get a LED projector, I'm going to need to replace the bulb fairly frequently.

So, poorer contrast and brightness but a bigger image, versus a huge frickin' OLED panel...  I know what I'd choose.

coppice:

--- Quote from: james_s on February 11, 2022, 05:49:59 pm ---The advantage projectors have is size, the picture can be really, really big, and very economical. The physical unit can be very small, for example mounted to the ceiling with a screen you lower while using. Below about 80" though LCD or OLED is going to look a lot better.

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Direct view LED can be as big as you like. This thread has only talked about the cinema ones, but the huge panels made for public displays are now very impressive too. Its only a few years since most of these things looked awful, yet there were impressive ones in the early 2000s. In 2003 I used to see an experimental display being developed outside an R&D site of a division of TCL in Shenzhen. It must have been about 10m wide, and in bright daylight the images looked superb. I guess that one was only 1920x1080. I never saw how the LEDs were calibrated, but I did see the calibration corrections being turned on and off sometimes. It looked pretty bad until it was calibrated.

tooki:
Cost is the limiting factor at the moment: direct-view LED is still several times as expensive as cinema projectors to achieve the same size.

james_s:

--- Quote from: tom66 on February 11, 2022, 05:57:39 pm ---Arguably that advantage is diminished by the fact that I can buy a 65" OLED TV for about ~$1500 USD equivalent now.
 
A 4K projector + screen equivalent is going to be butting against that in terms of cost.  I might be able to get 80" or 90" screen size but brightness is going to suffer.  And unless I get a LED projector, I'm going to need to replace the bulb fairly frequently.

So, poorer contrast and brightness but a bigger image, versus a huge frickin' OLED panel...  I know what I'd choose.

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Sure but that's only 65". I know several people who have home theater setups with 100" plus screens, there's really no comparison. Personally I have a 65" LCD TV that is good enough for my purposes but it's not really close to offering the cinema experience. The lamps in lamp based projectors last at least a couple of thousand hours, that's many hundreds of movies. I have a projector that I've used occasionally over the last 10 years or so and I've never changed the lamp which was used already when I got it.

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