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An old subject - high end audio cables
« on: June 01, 2011, 03:28:30 pm »
Sorry, I couldn't resist this. I just thought I'd see how the high-end audio cable market was doing and discovered it seems to still be alive and well.

I invite you to take a look at http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Home%20page.htm and choose any of the product links. Your eyes will water!

 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2011, 03:46:48 pm »
£3,000 a meter!

£15,000 speaker cables!!!

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2011, 04:00:36 pm »
These are top of the range cables from pure silver, the price is a bargain and you will feel the difference!
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2011, 04:13:00 pm »
These are top of the range cables from pure silver, the price is a bargain and you will feel the difference!
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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2011, 04:17:38 pm »
Check this out, a scientific comparison between plain and the magical ODIN cable! You wont believe your ears!

http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Cables%20with%20Bjorn.htm

Stop making fun of such products just because you can't afford them! :-p
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2011, 04:31:46 pm »
Scientific arguments are useless.

There has been a study published recently that proved that placebo pills help people even when they are told upfront they are receiving a placebo.

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2011, 04:54:34 pm »
Not exactly cables but close enough:
http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm

And the response from the inventor himself:
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You guys are all wrong, what actually happens is that the gunk polarizes the structural lattice of the chip containing the nano-sonido-stream (basically sound particles) emanated from the chips, this gives increased clarity and detail to the sound. The warmth comes from a secondary effect, superluminal tachyons resonate as the pass through the newly polarized structural lattice superheating the cheap and thus softening the sound.

I actually feel sorry (or do I) for the poor people that fall for this kind of junk.
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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2011, 05:00:56 pm »
This guy is my hero. All this knowledge and he is wasting his time on audio gear, he should be out there making cold fusion work.
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2011, 05:55:31 pm »
Does anyone know when this audiophool cable phenomenon started? Has it been around for decades or is it a recent thing?

I'm just wondering, who was the first person to think "Hey I could charge tens of thousands of pounds/dollars for a short piece of cable and people would buy it"?

Also for the money that man charges for cable, you would think he could afford to pay someone to knock up a website that isn't a complete pile of shit. If anyone has ever bought one of his cables that is.
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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2011, 06:06:42 pm »
ha this is a joke
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Also free of charge your own personal conditioner worth £695.00

£3,000 a meter!
with 2 meters, i can afford another girl for a lifetime.
if something can select, how cant it be intelligent? if something is intelligent, how cant it exist?
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 06:22:51 pm »
There is some history on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiophilia#Equipment_concerns

Also, a former McIntosh engineer writes about how the wire madness came about:

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm


Does anyone know when this audiophool cable phenomenon started? Has it been around for decades or is it a recent thing?

I'm just wondering, who was the first person to think "Hey I could charge tens of thousands of pounds/dollars for a short piece of cable and people would buy it"?

Also for the money that man charges for cable, you would think he could afford to pay someone to knock up a website that isn't a complete pile of shit. If anyone has ever bought one of his cables that is.
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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2011, 07:50:08 pm »
Good info, thanks.
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 08:22:17 pm »

Also, a former McIntosh engineer writes about how the wire madness came about:

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm


What a great article. I like the reference to how a fancy mains cable could improve the quality of light from a table lamp.

It's bad enough when they market this expensive speaker wire but it gets worse. Phono (RCA) cables? Mains cables? Digital (SPDIF) cables? I did see some special wooden knobs for sale to go on the controls of your amp to improve its sound. Oh, and running the cables in? I like the way p&p is often free, well if the cables are 20K I would hope they were delivered in a horse-drawn glass and gold carriage!
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 08:54:27 pm »
Don't forget to put this nice cable on a stand! http://www.audioelevation.co.uk/CartV3/Details.asp?ProductID=432


Since sound is vibrations, and walking on the floor also produces vibrations you can't just throw it there, it'll ruin the sound! :D
One more:
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 09:27:31 pm »


The Complete Guide to High-End Audio PHoolery

Price: $1999.95, hardcover $2999.95
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2011, 09:54:47 pm »
Since sound is vibrations, and walking on the floor also produces vibrations you can't just throw it there, it'll ruin the sound! :D

I have an idea for a new audiophool product. The breath-stopper. Inhaling and exhaling produces vibrations, and that rules the sound. Just make the listeners stop breathing and the problem is solved. There is a small side effect, but I not necessarily consider that a bad thing.
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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2011, 10:04:44 pm »
I didn't realize someone put a book together with all the jargon of audiophoolery.  The reviews on Amazon are both frightening and sad, to realize a good number of reviews consider this book factual.  You can sample quite a number of pages on this text within Amazon.com.

http://www.amazon.com/review/RWJ4DU9Z52BAO/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0964084945&nodeID=283155&tag=&linkCode=#wasThisHelpful
 

The book is edited, typeset and designed quite nicely.  The author is a good writer too.  The lack of sloppiness may give one more faith in the content unless one is certain of their electronics knowledge when cross checking this text.

What is sad is that there are facts in the text, intermingled with the fiction, and an unknowing reader may quote some facts to an engineer as a query to confirm the book's other contents, and if getting a nod assume the fiction part is equally true.

But I guess if some folks feel strongly the moon landing never happened, there can be those who believe in $30,000 audio cables.
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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2011, 10:33:19 pm »
duh cant it be stopped?! i'm sure these people (buyer and seller) dont have any clue what an oscilloscope is.
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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2011, 10:44:39 pm »
duh cant it be stopped?! i'm sure these people (buyer and seller) dont have any clue what an oscilloscope is.

Same thing as homeopathy ... There are people who believe it so they will buy it, and no matter what counter evidence you give them, they wont listen. And maybe there are people who believe it and sell it, but my guess is it is just businessman without shame that found you can sell a piece of wire (or water/sugar) for many times it price by just calling it the right name.
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2011, 11:19:13 pm »
yea i'm sure a dick extender is alot cheaper than that.
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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2011, 09:14:58 am »

There are people that ran out of ideas where to spend their money on...
 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2011, 10:25:05 am »
I start smelling the feast of technocratic snobbery.

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2011, 11:48:48 am »
There's been a similar scam going on here in the US with devices marketed to save people money on their electric bills. It's basically a couple of capacitors in a box that get wired into the main panel which are supposed to correct power factor and lower your bill. The scammers have gone so far as to get UL listings for their products (reading the actual listing shows that it's only a safety rating, but in most consumers' minds UL labels add credibility to the claim). The product plus installation generally costs about $500-$700. The difficulty in fighting the scammers is that understanding why it won't work is generally beyond the technical education of the average homeowner, as well as many electricians. Add to that using an accredited university name and claiming studies were done proving the effectiveness of the product (The university later discovered this and forced them to stop mentioning their name) and it's very difficult for Joe Homeowner to get to the truth.

There's no snobbery in trying to expose this kind of scammer. They are a product of our American style of free market economy which basically allows anyone to sell anything that's not considered harmful by a government agency (and this opinion doesn't have to coincide with scientific reality). Let the buyer beware.
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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2011, 12:05:34 pm »
Speaking of Power Factor, I would like to see Dave or someone do a blog on it. But that's just me.

 

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Re: An old subject - high end audio cables
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2011, 01:21:50 pm »
There's been a similar scam going on here in the US with devices marketed to save people money on their electric bills. It's basically a couple of capacitors in a box that get wired into the main panel which are supposed to correct power factor and lower your bill. The scammers have gone so far as to get UL listings for their products (reading the actual listing shows that it's only a safety rating, but in most consumers' minds UL labels add credibility to the claim). The product plus installation generally costs about $500-$700. The difficulty in fighting the scammers is that understanding why it won't work is generally beyond the technical education of the average homeowner, as well as many electricians. Add to that using an accredited university name and claiming studies were done proving the effectiveness of the product (The university later discovered this and forced them to stop mentioning their name) and it's very difficult for Joe Homeowner to get to the truth.

If the goal is to lower the bill rather then save the energy I can easily see a hack that would exploit the details of how specific energy meter works.  
Especially since every man and his dog were making half-baked electronic meters a decade ago.
It would not be difficult to legally exploit the inefficiency of the meter if indeed there is one.
I know nothing about this story but this possibility crossed my mind when a lot of "cost-effective" energy meters started flooding the market in early 00's.

The snobbery is in assuming that someone is lesser human just because they can't use a scope.
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