An old subject - high end audio cables

[Leo Bodnar]

You have to be skeptical or else you will be a sucker! Surely they tought you this during your science degree?

We have started to descend to personal abuse.  As expected though.
I thought any claim has to be proven if it is to be considered seriously and promoted to fact status.
If medical company says "a drug has no known side effects" without even testing it they will be in jail.

If you pass personal opinion as fact then say so.  I have no idea if these things work or not but some companies offer full money back no questions asked if you are not happy: http://www.eddy.uk.com/index.htm
Charlatans don't normally do that.  Please note that their claim is not that this thingy reduces water hardness - it does not, but it reduces scale formation on pipe and other surfaces.

I have no idea about these devices and I have never used one.  And I have no claims to make.

But if somebody here would claim they work I'd ask for proof just as well as I ask someone who claims they don't.

So far I have seen only david77 saying they have one and it looks like it reduced scale formation.  This is inconclusive but fair.

[Sionyn]

Atheist: "I don't believe in God because there's no proof God exists! All you have is blind faith God does exist."
Believer: "You can't prove that God doesn't exist. All you have is blind faith God doesn't exist."

one thing bible writers were quite fond of  psychoactive compounds mainly Psilocybin mushrooms

[vk6zgo]

I think Leo takes the "Devils Advocate" position on these  subjects just to see how many people he can  "stir up".


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[Zero999]

If you pass personal opinion as fact then say so.  I have no idea if these things work or not but some companies offer full money back no questions asked if you are not happy: http://www.eddy.uk.com/index.htm
Charlatans don't normally do that.  Please note that their claim is not that this thingy reduces water hardness - it does not, but it reduces scale formation on pipe and other surfaces.

That means nothing.

The placebo effect can make people believe lime scale has improved and some people won't bother asking for a refund. There's also the question of whether they honour their promise of a refund.

[Simon]

there are no end of scams and they run for a long time so they must be getting away with no giving any money back for one reason or another.

There was a local guy selling magnets that would: cause your car to use less fuel, cause you to use less gas in the house, get rid of limescale in water, I'm surprised he didn't claim heeling powers for it too.

When I challenged him I got some so called research which was just random logs of different cars, randomly formatted all differently formatted and basically no technical or scientific detail. He was selling them on behalf of a company who had a website which was run by a company who represented them. In this was the website can make all sorts of bogus claims like it had official recognition (which was and is bollocks) but it was the company that ran the website that said the bollocks not the manufacturer. I don't know what the legal implications and how it affects the manufacturers responsibilities but it was clearly a way of diminishing their responsibility.

Just because we have laws and hopefully enforcement it don't follow that there are not scams out there. Gee even most technical specs on serious products these days amount to exaggerated sales pitches

[Mechatrommer]

one thing bible writers were quite fond of  psychoactive compounds mainly Psilocybin mushrooms

which bible? the old or new testament?

[Simon]

one thing bible writers were quite fond of  psychoactive compounds mainly Psilocybin mushrooms

which bible? the old or new testament?

well, cmon, just read the bible with an open mind you will soon realize that we were created by and extra-terestrial race (god) as an experiement (that went wrong  ) probably by playing genetically with the then primitive man (like just out of apehood)

Right now I'll sit back and let that can of worms spread like wildfire 

[Kiriakos-GR]

Atheist: "I don't believe in God because there's no proof God exists! All you have is blind faith God does exist."
Believer: "You can't prove that God doesn't exist. All you have is blind faith God doesn't exist."

one thing bible writers were quite fond of  psychoactive compounds mainly Psilocybin mushrooms

Hey I have good news for you, my God it does exist and I have proofs too.
In your next vacations come to find me in Greece , I have an great story to tell you. 

[Kiriakos-GR]

one thing bible writers were quite fond of  psychoactive compounds mainly Psilocybin mushrooms

which bible? the old or new testament?

Hey you are out of topic here !!
The subject is about pluming problems   

[Mechatrommer]

that went wrong

no! its by design! god can made us like angel where all good, or evil where all bad, but we in between. so we are not specialist between the two, good or bad. we are blend of it, and god gave us freedom to choose. thats why some clever dickies sold cable for thousands, and the other stupid dickies bought it.
edit: i dont read bible, i read 4th edition, never been "excel" on it.

[ndictu]

Just take a look at the anti-vaccine movement...

I don't care if people buy stuff that doesn't work, because it doesn't affect me.

The problem with the anti-vaccine idiots is that 1) they are making a terrible decision about the life of their kid that is not able to defend itself, and 2) the vaccine isn't 100% effective. However when everyone gets vaccinated it creates a "herd immunity". Introducing non-vaccinated kids into kindergartens/schools puts other, vaccinated kids in danger of getting sick, and it's actually happening: http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html

[Simon]

that went wrong

and god gave us freedom to choose.

you mean some religeous nuts and dictators tell us that our choice is to beleive 

Sorry for going off topic, but really it's not that off topic and I get bored with the same old stuff

[Zero999]

Yes I know this thread has become horribly off topic but it's no surprise a discussion about audipoolerly invokes one about religion.

I've not studied the bible or and other religious text much.

I remember hearing "God created man in his own image" but I believe it's more likely to be the other way round.

Some accuse science of being a religion but this is not the case with good science.

[Simon]

Yes I know this thread has become horribly off topic but it's no surprise a discussion about audipoolerly invokes one about religion.

I've not studied the bible or and other religious text much.

I remember hearing "God created man in his own image" but I believe it's more likely to be the other way round.

Either way is plausible   depends on how daring you are

[Mechatrommer]

you mean some religeous nuts and dictators tell us that our choice is to beleive 

they are not in any way religious. they've become more evil and they want us to believe whatever they want us to believe.

I remember hearing "God created man in his own image".
Some accuse science of being a religion but this is not the case with good science.

thats true man is created from very very small fraction of God's image. lover, carer, ruler etc etc. there are 99 God's image/name but i never remember all of them. maybe lust and stupidity are included in them. i'm not sure. and science is to find the provable truth, but as history tells, once scientists believed that atom is the smallest particles but proven wrong. it will be continue like that in the future i suspect. one method scientest lack in proving a theorem, is to prove from history, Moore's Law is an exception.

[Leo Bodnar]

Moore's Law is an exception.

Moore's Law is not a natural law, it is just an observation.  
If all manufacturers collude in stopping making faster silicon the Law will be "proven" wrong.
Similarly, industry does not need revolutionary faster ICs because there is so much flab dragged behind that most folks are not ready for this.
Peripherals, interconnects, RAM, EEPROM, RTCs are all dragging their feet since profit and ROE is king.

Increase modern computer speed by a factor of 1000 and your average Windows installation will crash every 10 seconds.

[Zero999]

Increasing processor speed exponentially doesn't mean everything will become faster as there are many problems which require an exponential increase in processing to solve twice as quickly.

[Mechatrommer]

, Moore's Law is an exception.

and Murphy's Law too. i forgot Murphy's Law.