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An partial Goodbye .. could be .
« on: April 21, 2011, 07:25:25 pm »
Well Its known that Greece faces from the 2010 one severe economical instability ,
in short we call it as Crisis.

Well those problems in our economy, had become today an major issue,
and the internal economy are almost destroyed.

There is no income for the many,
and the whatever bills started to stack up  ( electrical - internet - banking - other ),
and the 70% of the population are unable to handle them).

I can not exclude my self, as I face the same problems,
and so I will have the "privilege" to be on-line for 4-5 days the most from today.

Some one will say who cares ?
Well , the very few who had the time to get in knowing me,
and called as friends , they must be informed some how.  :)

I will continue to visit the forum, from time to time.

I have stored all ready for off-line use , some important threads of the forum.
And few videos of Dave , the ones about the DMM that I favor most.

And so I am prepared for my partial Goodbye.

The financial recovery of Greece could take years,
at list as human and technician , I have got all ready all the items ( tools ) that I need so to work,
if work and pay , become an active task again.

Thanks for reading my message.   
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2011, 09:02:37 pm »
Here in Portugal we are facing the same reality, but in a lower level. My case is not so bad because I don’t have any credit to pay and my job is more or less stable. There is no guaranteed job on these days.
Let’s wait for better days and never give up.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2011, 10:39:43 pm »
Sorry to hear K, best of luck in getting things together in Greece and for you.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2011, 11:23:50 pm »
Wow, sorry to hear that Kiriakos, I knew Greece was in trouble, but had no idea it was that bad :'(

Those big banker corporate overloads who created all this mess really piss me off  >:(

Good luck, I hope it all works out for you, and Greece, and look forward to seeing you back.

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2011, 11:37:09 pm »
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/businesspro-us-greece-emerging-restructu-idUSTRE73K4QV20110421

$400B debt?
Sounds like a lot, but didn't the US bail out it's big banker buddies for more than double that? with ZERO accountability, and almost ZERO of it going to the people?
The world is so screwed up  >:(

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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2011, 01:05:24 am »
forget about the government, forget about the debt. thats the sin they have to deal with. below is my (more green'ier) place compared to highly packed population of Kiri's. things for certain is... everybody needs electricity, food, work etc, the basic stuff. so, good luck Kiri, pls do come back when you got something, dont say good bye. I love you...
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2011, 01:34:54 am »
Kiriakos, good luck and hope that Greece's reconstructing plan works out.

As for having Dave's videos, I got them all downloaded too except for the last couple videos;D You'll never know when he decide to call it quits. Hope never.

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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2011, 07:37:04 am »
didn't the US bail out it's big banker buddies for more than double that? with ZERO accountability, and almost ZERO of it going to the people?

The worst part is that said companies were so apeshit irresponsible and yet controlled so much of the country's financial business that our government may well be right: NOT bailing them out might indeed have screwed us even MORE.

But don't get me started on how boned the US is. Well over half of our population is too politically ignorant to function, much less vote, and we all want free breakfast, lunch, and dinner without paying any taxes to cover it.

I swear, if things get much worse, I'm moving to Germany. At least there the 35% tax buys me the ability to injure myself without paying a dime or filling out paperwork. And even if I don't, at least I can still buy a Gossen there.
 

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2011, 07:48:37 am »
The worst part is that said companies were so apeshit irresponsible and yet controlled so much of the country's financial business that our government may well be right: NOT bailing them out might indeed have screwed us even MORE.

That I greatly doubt it, because that's exactly what they wanted everyone to think, therefore is more than likely complete bullshit.
The system is much more robust than everyone thinks.
The system was (and still is) built on fear and the ever lasting illusion that is capitalism.
Greatest blatant crime of the century, no doubt about it. My hats actually off to them for having the balls to do it and get away with it, scott free.

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2011, 07:54:07 am »
I mean, if we're talking about the housing market, which is the big one here, the "system" was very much not robust, by willful irresponsibility. The point is that the perpetrators of the irresponsibility made gobtons of money and knew that when it all came crashing down, they wouldn't personally suffer any ill effects. But we can argue about it all day. The only possible outcome is that I get really, really angry thinking about it and waste lots of time.
 

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2011, 09:07:03 am »
The only possible outcome is that I get really, really angry thinking about it and waste lots of time.
thats why i dont care much about it (but a news or heads up like this is a good thing, for whoever that care). i only care on how to get my personal income more without being affected too much by this political and economical stuffs. online business anyone? think i can get rid of the goverment taxes by this ;D :P
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2011, 09:59:22 am »
Sad to see you Kiriakos leave (for a while!)... Really, for you and for the many people like you.

The first thought is that there's a positive feedback (and we all know "positive" besides "feedback" is not a good thing): in Greece (but Italy could follow, soon) people won't have the possibility to use the internet, to buy instrumentation, to learn, ..., which will cause them to be less competitive, and so on.
I don't agree with the idea that the only responsibles are the banks, since the real economy (production) has been going down since a long time ago in EU, USA and Japan, and I think that's the real cause. Investors introduced a great disturbance in the system (speculating), which is making the transient harder (for the poorest people).

I hope in what the history tells: it's after the worst storms that comes the clearest sun. Europe's and, even more, Japan's economical growth after the WWII are some of the biggest examples. I hope this crisis (and what has still to come) will get us to roll up our sleeves and work harder (but in a different way, possibly), having lost the illusion that it's possible to give the minimum and get more than enough.



$400B debt?
Sounds like a lot, but didn't the US bail out it's big banker buddies for more than double that? with ZERO accountability, and almost ZERO of it going to the people?
The world is so screwed up  >:(
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2011, 10:12:35 am »
I am from Greece too. Things are really bad (for me personally too).

For example the price of gasoline (due to taxes) from 1.16 USD (2009) is 2.40 USD now per litre (0.26 US gallon). The salaries went 30~50 % down.

Our politician are a bunch of masturbating monkeys. They don't understand that by increasing the taxes (VAT for 18% to 23%) they collect less, because we can't afford buy anything. E.g. the price of fuel doubled since 2009. The state income of the fuel the first trimester of 2011 is 277 millions (USD) less than 2009. Why? Because we can't afford gas anymore and we don;t use our cars.

The bottom line is that they don;t want Greece ton be saved. They wan;t to  impoverish/"zombiefy" us in order to take the full control.

Greece took a huge amount of money from the European central bank. Right after that Germany and France forced Greece to buy weapons from them (submarines from Germany and ground-air missiles from France if am not mistaken). Half of the loan went to them.

How did they forced Greece to do that? Simple. They threatened to give a negative vote for the loan...

They are shutting down Schools too!
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2011, 11:22:59 am »
$400B debt?
Sounds like a lot, but didn't the US bail out it's big banker buddies for more than double that? with ZERO accountability, and almost ZERO of it going to the people?
The world is so screwed up  >:(

Greece, like Portugal, Ireland and others expect the Germans to bail them out. The thing is, the Germans aren't as stupid any more as they were in the past. While they pay something, they don't pay unlimited. Especially not when there are no concessions.

E.g., the Greek retirement age with full pension rights is 60 years (58 without full pension), while Germany is just moving the age to 67 years. It is hard to explain to German workers why they need to work seven more years to finance a number of corrupt foreign governments, banks and lazy workers.

Greece is also not making friends in Germany, because the Greek government is going after German journalists who called Greece what they are, connmen who falsified the financial reports given to the EU. It is not just the banks, it is the Greek government, supported by the Greek people, who lied and cheated like there was no tomorrow. Now prosecutor Ourania Stathea is wetting her pants, because a liar was called a liar.
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2011, 01:02:13 pm »
Shame to see you go and hope you get back on your feet.

I think the idiots who borrowed more than they could afford are just as much to blame as the bankers.

What should the government have done? Let the banks fail.

In the UK Labour borrowed too much money when the going was good. The trouble now is the government can't borrow any more and they want to make cuts which will harm the economy. What annoys me is they cut jobs to save money but it doesn't because the people who've lost their jobs just start claiming benefits. If there was a time to make cuts and increase taxes, it was years ago when the economy was booming, it's true it would've reduced the growth but the government would now have some money saved which the can spend to carry us through the lean period.

Anyone who says they only care about how this affects them deserves all they get and it's people like that who are the reason why we're in the mess we are at the moment. Selfish people who only vote for governments who give them what they want, not what's best for the country give rise to irresponsible governments.
 

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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2011, 01:20:46 pm »
Selfish people who only vote for governments who give them what they want, not what's best for the country give rise to irresponsible governments.
reminds me of the election season. $50 notes are flying everywhere hoping who get it will vote the sourcerer, ie current governor! poorly our old folks are less educative and just simply vote for them. but not anymore, for young generation, awareness arise to stop this madness.
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2011, 01:43:32 pm »
Thanks for your positive comments people.
I love ya too.

All those chances that we had , so to debate or exchange ideas , or even help its other ,
gave to some of us the chance to build feelings for its other, and even to create an friendship,
that usually does not happen in the anonymous forums.

Dave you had made an true friend in Greece,
I just hope to have the chance in this life time, so to prove it to you.

Cheers to all.  :)





 

  
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2011, 03:46:25 pm »
Greece, like Portugal, Ireland and others expect the Germans to bail them out.

Apropos nothing, there was a time when people just expected the Germans to invade them.  My, how things have changed.  :-\
 

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2011, 04:50:44 pm »
Kiriakos, I am sorry to hear that you are in such a trouble as to downgrade your internet connection, since internet access is not considered to be a luxury --at least, not yet... I am really sorry, my fellow man, and I wish you the best.

Speaking of politicians, they are nothing else that theatrical actors! Theatrical actors of the worst kind, I might add, because people are unable to realise that what the politicians really are is company agents, in reality: They are payed to get elected in order to modify every country's legislation framework in favour of those who pay them; in favour of those who they really work for; in favour of those who actually pull the strings, safely hidden in anonymity.

I am sorry, but this is the ugly truth... To prove my assertion I will refer you to our recent municipal elections, where an incompatible person (Spiros Hatzaras) was simply deprived from his right to be elected, since he was becoming popular due to his stance against the banking cartel. They could not risk to have real opposition (someone they do not control) in power...

Anyway, this is a very long subject matter and a very difficult one to be understood by the everyday citizen, since those bits of reality are very well obfuscated from public opinion.
Tell me, please, what do you think you really know about Social Engineering? And, yes, that "A Hellene" who wrote the essay is me!

Debt! What does this term really mean? Well, I have recently attempted to draw the real picture of debt in another discussions board I participate in. So, allow me, please, to link you to these two short pieces I have written, back in May of 2010:
Debt, Part 1 and Debt, Part 2. Of course, I admit I am Giorgos_K from the AVRFreaks community!


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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2011, 06:13:20 pm »
since he was becoming popular due to his stance against the banking cartel.

Take care,
-George

Hi George , I really do not like to expand to this story ,
but this is the point.
Politicians that the get payed under the table , and they do not protect the interest of the simple voter.

I have an personal dept of few thousands Euro , it was under control, and if I had an true stable work,
I could eliminate it .
But not any more.

Everything turned upside down , dreams and future.

And the truth are that in order to turn the economy of any country upside down,
you need an well planed plan , and takes years.

Even now I promote the idea that the people should get involved with the political life of their countries,
so to monitor the actions of their politicians.
And to be active if they dislike something.

Its not an simple task , but with out monitoring of what your politicians do,
you could live the same surprise , that the Greek people faces today.

I blame the bankers too, local ones and foreigners ,
they are the specialists , and they played the game by looking exclusively their profits.

It would be an major joy to me, to see them all , to turn in to dust.
Like the dreams of thousands people worldwide.

All the experts are saying that the banking system is ready to collapse,
and needs one true reboot .
Well the idea is zero debt for all , and starting over.
Well I prefer that, than an new major War.

I do not expect that I will got any followers, to support my view,
I am just saying what I think as best.    
  
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2011, 06:15:07 pm »
We all have debt, at least most of us. I try and have as little as possible but its something we all struggle with. Times are tuff everywhere, I myself had to leave the high paying jobs of the oil fields because the stability was gone after the economic crash. Many of my relatives decided to stay and have had months and some over a year without work. Friends that told me they would never work out of town away from their families are now doing that and gone for months at a time.

I took a much lower paying job, but had great benefits, super job stability and I love the work. For me at least this economic crash has forced me to rethink how I want to live my life and that I didnt want money to be the centre of it all.

Proverbs 22:7 http://lds.org/scriptures/ot/prov/22?lang=eng

Keep tuffing it out, re evaluate what you need in your life and what you dont, keep working hard and things will with time get better. Good luck
 

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2011, 06:31:36 pm »
I took a much lower paying job, but had great benefits, super job stability and I love the work. For me at least this economic crash has forced me to rethink how I want to live my life and that I didnt want money to be the centre of it all.

Yes I will agree , but can you say to the poor technician , who has only some good tools as property,
that from now and on, he must have less , or stop dreaming that he would be capable of making just an base income ?
Enough for starting a family and support it.

We are not millionaires , that our boats got crashed in a storm...

Any way , thanks for the positive spirit.
   
 

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2011, 07:29:53 pm »
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And the truth are that in order to turn the economy of any country upside down,
you need an well planed plan , and takes years.
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I could not agree more with you, Kiriakos!

Have you seen the chart of our public debt?
Here it is, at the attachment below, showing how long this charade has been played on us.

Note that the period 1998-2004 is not depicted accurately: The debt was NOT reduced. This is the outcome of the "creative accounting" trick our PM Simitis pulled with the help of Goldman Sachs, to make Greece deceptively meet the requirements to join Eurozone.

Though money (meaning real money that can be redeemed instantly for something of value, like gold; not printed colour IOUs in the form of fiat currency) is the most useful tool for commercial transactions, debt is something very very different. The difference between debt and money is analogous to the difference between rape and love-making; they are entirely different things.

John Whipple, an American Lawyer, wrote in 1836 in his treatise called "The Importance of Usury Laws":
Quote from: John Whipple
If 5 English pennies [...] had been [lent] at 5 per cent compound interest from the beginning of the Christian era until the present time, it would amount in gold of standard fineness to 32,366,648,157 spheres of gold each eight thousand miles in diameter, or as large as the earth.
A more recent recalculation was made by JAK Bank, in their Aug. 2007 report:
Quote from: JAK Bank, Aug. 2007 report
If someone had invested 1 (one) cent with 5% interest in a bank in the year 0 CE, and in 2000 CE asked back this one cent investment with the accumulated interest of the 5% of the agreement, the bank would owe this person more than 500 billion balls of gold, each one having the weight of the earth!
Such is the nature of compound interest. This kind of bad math shows the fraudulent character of those debt practices... And lots of archaeological artifacts (the Babylonian clay tablets, for example) are proofs that this deception is a few thousand years old, as I explain in the links at my previous message.


-George
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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2011, 07:38:04 pm »
Well its clear that something happened at 1980 .

And i can not believe that the Greeks got massively insane ..

It would be nice point of interest, if we had the same stats from Portugal . 

By the way, where do live George, city ?
 

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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2011, 07:40:48 pm »
our government seems to be in the same direction as yours (early stage). ie to corrupt all the people's money into their pocket, i dont know about the debt, thats not published clearly, or at least falsify to us. so i need a plan in advance to get rid of it all in case it happened, but i dont know, the plan maybe just a dream, but at least i need to try, and keep my brains working.

ps: sometime i think that the american invasion into some other countries is a reasonable thing for the government that stubborn enough to get the people to know the truth, and dont work hard enough to develop the country and avoid this madness. even our election, we cannot trust 100% anymore, government has some trick to make sure they win the election, even though more people were voting opposition.
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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2011, 07:43:33 pm »
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In Athens (Zografou suburb), where I was born in 1965...
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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2011, 07:45:43 pm »
Best wishes to you Kiriakos, I hope we will see you back soon.
I hope some work finds its way to you soon, electricians will always be needed, won't they?

I have to admit I am so used to unlimited internet access now, I wouldn't want to miss it. But there are certainly more important things.

I don't know enough of economics, politics and banks to make any meaningfull comment in that direction.

Apropos nothing, there was a time when people just expected the Germans to invade them.  My, how things have changed.  :-\

But comments like that really piss me off big time!
 

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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2011, 10:32:02 pm »
indeed big shame
hope all is well and goes well

the imf is the real problem weren't they supposed to stop stuff like this

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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2011, 11:01:13 pm »
Well its clear that something happened at 1980 .

And i can not believe that the Greeks got massively insane ..

It would be nice point of interest, if we had the same stats from Portugal . 

You can see the public debt of Portugal in the attachment bellow. PIB means GDP in English. Note that we only joined the EU in 1986.

Our public debt was only controlled during the dictatorial regime founded by Salazar (1926 to 1974).

Are we condemned to be governed by a dictatorship or in democracy by irresponsible demagogues?!?
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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2011, 11:22:37 pm »
Well no matter of dictatorship or democracy,
the stats show that at 80s also Portugal started to get in debt.

And this is not an accidental event.


Thanks for your good words @david77 ,
yes from one point of view I have less to worry about finding a job, in comparison with others.
But there is some info that 1500 Greek companies,that they moved their head offices to Cyprus in the 2011, from fear ..
Or by trying to escape from the instability.

Any way, I will stay and fight the what ever crisis up come,
I am fearless, and just sad.
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« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2011, 11:32:14 pm »
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By the way, where do live George, city ?

In Athens (Zografou suburb), where I was born in 1965...

Ok , Volos -New ionia suburb and born in 1969 ..  ;)
 

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« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2011, 11:41:23 pm »
i posted somewhere earlier, now it come to here... democracy is just an illusion.


It depends where your head are turned at .

For example the democracy that called as Republic of People of China , yes it is a joke .
The republic of the ancient Greece was not.

The modern republics that mistakenly called as democracy, it is a joke too.  

We have turn the democracy to look like as elections of kings .
They do what ever they like, after getting elected.  

But we getting in waters that the many can not follow .
This is the EEV Forum, lets not forget this detail.  :)
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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2011, 01:22:41 am »
According to the democracy index Greece is classed as a flawed democracy which by all accounts is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_index

There's no such thing as a perfect democracy, just as there's no such thing as an absolute dictatorship i.e. where the government controls everyone's every single action, there are only shades of grey which are impossible to measure accurately. Greece is authoritarian when compared with New Zealand and democratic compared with Singapore.
 

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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2011, 01:26:15 am »
Gentlemen,

The term "Democracy" literally means "The rule of the people" and it comes from the noun «Δημοκρατία» = «δήμος» (the people, the commons) + «κράτος» (rule, authority, sway).

According to its founders, there are three cardinal rules in Democracy:
1. Isonomy (from «ισονομία» = ίσος (equal) + νόμος (law): equality in front of the law),
2. Isopolity (from «ισοπολιτεία» = ίσος (equal) + πολιτεία (citizenship): equality in civil rights) and
3. Equality in the right to speak («ισηγορία» = ίσος (equal) + αγορεύω (to speak in public)).

In any case, if any of these three cardinal rules is missing THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY! No matter what they call it, because the name alone cannot define someone or something; only their actions and the results can...

We can recognise a regime as a Democracy if, and only if, all the three condition above are met together. Anything else is NOT a Democracy. Period!
For example, the Roman Republic was NOT a Democracy because the power was not exercised from the people directly but from their (elected or not) so-called representatives! A Republic is not a Democracy. Just for the record, Democracy has been exercised for no more than four centuries, in the whole recorded history...

Naming non-Democracies as Democracies is a deception called euphemism.

The term "euphemism" is the English transliteration of the noun «ευφημισμός» = «ευ» (well) + «φημί» (to speak) and literally means "fair speaking (of)." Euphemism is a milder or socially acceptable term or phrase that substitutes another one that is unpleasant or harsh. For example, the "Department of Defence" is a euphemism for the "Ministry of War" since it describes the same exactly mass-murderous entity but in a milder, friendlier and less intimidating term. In another example, no one speaks anymore of "civilian murders" but of "collateral damage," and that makes these murders alright...
In a few words, euphemisms are used to deceive people, since they replace other terms that are less obfuscating and more enlightening. And this comes directly from the ancient Roman Law, which stated that, if someone is deceivable let him be deceived...

As a side note, I will say that squeezing the last drop of juice out of the modern microcontrollers (yes, crafting code in pure assembly!) did not really make me feel smart; but, since I adapted etymology as one of my most beloved and enlightening hobbies, I would dare say that it has widen my perception, simply by realising the actual meaning of the terms I run across. It takes some time eventually, but the outcome is priceless. After all, etymology is the only tool we have to explain and debunk the widely used deceiving tactics of euphemisms.

I hope I have given enough bits of information and unusual terms as starting points for further research to the individuals who feel the need to learn more than they have been taught.


-George
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Hi! This is George; and I am three and a half years old!
(This was one of my latest realisations, now in my early fifties!...)
 

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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2011, 01:50:09 am »
George I admit that you did allot of effort so to write all those at 4:40am local time ..  :)
I do not have any more strength left for today, time to fall and rest.

Its nice meeting you, I always enjoying conversations with educated people,
but the timing its just not the best.

Any way, there is also some other interesting people around, and you will enjoy your staying in the forum.

Goodnight , or betters said, Good morning to you.  


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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2011, 01:53:15 am »
Sleep tight, my friend!
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« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2011, 08:51:44 pm »
Gentlemen,

The term "Democracy" literally means "The rule of the people" and it comes from the noun «??????????» = «?????» (the people, the commons) + «??????» (rule, authority, sway).

According to its founders, there are three cardinal rules in Democracy:
1. Isonomy (from «????????» = ???? (equal) + ????? (law): equality in front of the law),
2. Isopolity (from «???????????» = ???? (equal) + ???????? (citizenship): equality in civil rights) and
3. Equality in the right to speak («????????» = ???? (equal) + ??????? (to speak in public)).

In any case, if any of these three cardinal rules is missing THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY! No matter what they call it, because the name alone cannot define someone or something; only their actions and the results can...
Then no country is a democracy as no country completely adheres to any of those listed above.

1) Yes in theory it happens in modern democracies but in practice it depends on how much money one has to pay a lawyer.
2) Again, in most countries that depends on wealth and the attitudes of society in general.
3) Total freedom speech has never existed and never will because it will always be curtailed by what's socially expression and privacy laws.
 

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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2011, 09:12:15 pm »
its like simulator analogy. when you build a circuit using simulator, thats the theory of democracy, but when you actually build it, thats the real life we have to deal with (no democracy).
It's extremely difficult to start life.. one features of nature.. physical laws are mathematical theory of great beauty... You may wonder Why? our knowledge shows that nature is so constructed. We simply have to accept it. One could describe the situation by saying that... (Paul Dirac)
 

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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2011, 11:14:32 pm »
but when you actually build it

The correct words are  Participating ...

Participating in politics =
1) educate your self about parliament and how it works .
2) Be active as voter
3) Be informed about world-wide happenings and news .
4) Start to care the same and for people thousands kilometers away
5) Get in to a political party , so to have an way to pass your opinion
6) Talk with others about your problems , and demonstrate when you are against of any injustice,
 by getting down to the streets .

The many, they believe that there is somewhere an autopilot , and everything works even and with out them.

  
 

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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2011, 12:56:22 am »
The correct words are  Participating ...
Participating in politics =
1) educate your self about parliament and how it works .
2) Be active as voter
3) Be informed about world-wide happenings and news .
4) Start to care the same and for people thousands kilometers away
5) Get in to a political party , so to have an way to pass your opinion
6) Talk with others about your problems , and demonstrate when you are against of any injustice,
 by getting down to the streets .
1) learnt that in school, saw that in tv, and basically know the theory is.
2) last election i was about to. but the opposition candidate who i was about to elect withdrew due to compensation (dont know how many millions) from current government, the government candidate win without competition.
3) thats why i'm here.
4) thats why i'm posting
5) as Dave's said... "its not within my job specification/scope of work"
6) globally, i already posted. locally, well... its not within my job scope of work, unless you want to stay in jail under ISA (Internal Security Act)
It's extremely difficult to start life.. one features of nature.. physical laws are mathematical theory of great beauty... You may wonder Why? our knowledge shows that nature is so constructed. We simply have to accept it. One could describe the situation by saying that... (Paul Dirac)
 

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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2011, 11:38:26 am »
The sum of points (numerical ) of your answers ,  :D

Gives as final result , that you are an Soft fighter.

The  every day reality , show that the opponent is an Hard fighter.

Your chances to win are few, or none  .  ;)
 

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« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2011, 12:38:29 pm »
Gives as final result , that you are an Soft fighter.
The  every day reality , show that the opponent is an Hard fighter.
Your chances to win are few, or none  .  ;)
if just a rocket launcher is easy to build.
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« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2011, 01:02:42 pm »
Shame to see you go and hope you get back on your feet.

I think the idiots who borrowed more than they could afford are just as much to blame as the bankers.

What should the government have done? Let the banks fail.



Yes, maths is not that hard and people should know what they can afford. I'd shoot the bastards who just borrowed and borrowed. Yes i would have let the banks fail and instead give the money we gave away to them straight to the people who had money in those failed banks
 

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« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2011, 01:57:09 pm »
I'd shoot the bastards who just borrowed and borrowed.

I think that the bankers will disagree with you ..
Those good people, would be happier to own your home .. than taking your life.
 

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« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2011, 02:04:40 pm »
well the banks are also to blame for not getting enough guarantees of the loans they made. what they did was know and calculate that a certain percentage would not be able to pay back but got the math wrong, over leant and got us all screwed. still just because you can borrow more than you can afford is not a good excuse to do so. There is fault on all sides
 

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« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2011, 02:17:47 pm »
Any way ... I have a task for you ..
check this and help if possible ..
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3261.0
Or relocate my message to suggestions ..
 

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« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2011, 02:20:29 pm »
The topic is gone - what you been up to ?
 

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« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2011, 02:33:00 pm »
Bankers? Please watch a very rare lecture given by Gary Fielder at The University of Colorado School of Law on Dec. 4, 2008, called:
"The gig is up: Money, the Federal Reserve and You".
Additionally, for further information, follow the links he suggests.

My favorite documentary, which I strongly believe that should be taught at schools, is the three and a half hours long historical documentary called:
"The Money Masters (1998)" written by Patrick S.J. Carmack. It is available to be watched for free by video-sharing services at the these locations:
#1, #2,
#3
and a special one with Greek subtitles(!) .


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« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2011, 02:52:49 pm »
The topic is gone - what you been up to ?

Gone where ?

its still there:
EEVblog Electronics Community Forum > EEVblog > General Chat > Mini test : Chauvin Arnoux PAC12 AC/DC PRO Probe Clamp
 

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« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2011, 03:06:52 pm »
The topic is gone - what you been up to ?
maybe you need some catch up friend ;) https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3232.0
last time he almost broke due to economical issue, now he's back with very high spirit. he also got a task now.
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« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2011, 03:11:15 pm »
oh OK, yes a lot happens in a week on here as it did where i went
 


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