An partial Goodbye .. could be .

[A Hellene]

By the way, where do live George, city ?

In Athens (Zografou suburb), where I was born in 1965...

[david77]

Best wishes to you Kiriakos, I hope we will see you back soon.
I hope some work finds its way to you soon, electricians will always be needed, won't they?

I have to admit I am so used to unlimited internet access now, I wouldn't want to miss it. But there are certainly more important things.

I don't know enough of economics, politics and banks to make any meaningfull comment in that direction.

Apropos nothing, there was a time when people just expected the Germans to invade them.  My, how things have changed.  

But comments like that really piss me off big time!

[Sionyn]

indeed big shame
hope all is well and goes well

the imf is the real problem weren't they supposed to stop stuff like this

[johnmx]

Well its clear that something happened at 1980 .

And i can not believe that the Greeks got massively insane ..

It would be nice point of interest, if we had the same stats from Portugal . 

You can see the public debt of Portugal in the attachment bellow. PIB means GDP in English. Note that we only joined the EU in 1986.

Our public debt was only controlled during the dictatorial regime founded by Salazar (1926 to 1974).

Are we condemned to be governed by a dictatorship or in democracy by irresponsible demagogues?!?

[Kiriakos-GR]

Well no matter of dictatorship or democracy,
the stats show that at 80s also Portugal started to get in debt.

And this is not an accidental event.


Thanks for your good words @david77 ,
yes from one point of view I have less to worry about finding a job, in comparison with others.
But there is some info that 1500 Greek companies,that they moved their head offices to Cyprus in the 2011, from fear ..
Or by trying to escape from the instability.

Any way, I will stay and fight the what ever crisis up come,
I am fearless, and just sad.

[Kiriakos-GR]

By the way, where do live George, city ?

In Athens (Zografou suburb), where I was born in 1965...

Ok , Volos -New ionia suburb and born in 1969 ..  

[Kiriakos-GR]

i posted somewhere earlier, now it come to here... democracy is just an illusion.

It depends where your head are turned at .

For example the democracy that called as Republic of People of China , yes it is a joke .
The republic of the ancient Greece was not.

The modern republics that mistakenly called as democracy, it is a joke too.  

We have turn the democracy to look like as elections of kings .
They do what ever they like, after getting elected.  

But we getting in waters that the many can not follow .
This is the EEV Forum, lets not forget this detail.  

[Zero999]

According to the democracy index Greece is classed as a flawed democracy which by all accounts is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_index

There's no such thing as a perfect democracy, just as there's no such thing as an absolute dictatorship i.e. where the government controls everyone's every single action, there are only shades of grey which are impossible to measure accurately. Greece is authoritarian when compared with New Zealand and democratic compared with Singapore.

[A Hellene]

Gentlemen,

The term "Democracy" literally means "The rule of the people" and it comes from the noun «Δημοκρατία» = «δήμος» (the people, the commons) + «κράτος» (rule, authority, sway).

According to its founders, there are three cardinal rules in Democracy:
1. Isonomy (from «ισονομία» = ίσος (equal) + νόμος (law): equality in front of the law),
2. Isopolity (from «ισοπολιτεία» = ίσος (equal) + πολιτεία (citizenship): equality in civil rights) and
3. Equality in the right to speak («ισηγορία» = ίσος (equal) + αγορεύω (to speak in public)).

In any case, if any of these three cardinal rules is missing THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY! No matter what they call it, because the name alone cannot define someone or something; only their actions and the results can...

We can recognise a regime as a Democracy if, and only if, all the three condition above are met together. Anything else is NOT a Democracy. Period!
For example, the Roman Republic was NOT a Democracy because the power was not exercised from the people directly but from their (elected or not) so-called representatives! A Republic is not a Democracy. Just for the record, Democracy has been exercised for no more than four centuries, in the whole recorded history...

Naming non-Democracies as Democracies is a deception called euphemism.

The term "euphemism" is the English transliteration of the noun «ευφημισμός» = «ευ» (well) + «φημί» (to speak) and literally means "fair speaking (of)." Euphemism is a milder or socially acceptable term or phrase that substitutes another one that is unpleasant or harsh. For example, the "Department of Defence" is a euphemism for the "Ministry of War" since it describes the same exactly mass-murderous entity but in a milder, friendlier and less intimidating term. In another example, no one speaks anymore of "civilian murders" but of "collateral damage," and that makes these murders alright...
In a few words, euphemisms are used to deceive people, since they replace other terms that are less obfuscating and more enlightening. And this comes directly from the ancient Roman Law, which stated that, if someone is deceivable let him be deceived...

As a side note, I will say that squeezing the last drop of juice out of the modern microcontrollers (yes, crafting code in pure assembly!) did not really make me feel smart; but, since I adapted etymology as one of my most beloved and enlightening hobbies, I would dare say that it has widen my perception, simply by realising the actual meaning of the terms I run across. It takes some time eventually, but the outcome is priceless. After all, etymology is the only tool we have to explain and debunk the widely used deceiving tactics of euphemisms.

I hope I have given enough bits of information and unusual terms as starting points for further research to the individuals who feel the need to learn more than they have been taught.


-George

[Kiriakos-GR]

George I admit that you did allot of effort so to write all those at 4:40am local time ..  
I do not have any more strength left for today, time to fall and rest.

Its nice meeting you, I always enjoying conversations with educated people,
but the timing its just not the best.

Any way, there is also some other interesting people around, and you will enjoy your staying in the forum.

Goodnight , or betters said, Good morning to you.  

[A Hellene]

Sleep tight, my friend!

[Zero999]

Gentlemen,

The term "Democracy" literally means "The rule of the people" and it comes from the noun «?» = «??» (the people, the commons) + «???» (rule, authority, sway).

According to its founders, there are three cardinal rules in Democracy:
1. Isonomy (from «??» = ? (equal) + ?? (law): equality in front of the law),
2. Isopolity (from «??» = ? (equal) + ?? (citizenship): equality in civil rights) and
3. Equality in the right to speak («??» = ? (equal) + ? (to speak in public)).

In any case, if any of these three cardinal rules is missing THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY! No matter what they call it, because the name alone cannot define someone or something; only their actions and the results can...

Then no country is a democracy as no country completely adheres to any of those listed above.

1) Yes in theory it happens in modern democracies but in practice it depends on how much money one has to pay a lawyer.
2) Again, in most countries that depends on wealth and the attitudes of society in general.
3) Total freedom speech has never existed and never will because it will always be curtailed by what's socially expression and privacy laws.

[Mechatrommer]

its like simulator analogy. when you build a circuit using simulator, thats the theory of democracy, but when you actually build it, thats the real life we have to deal with (no democracy).

[Kiriakos-GR]

but when you actually build it

The correct words are  Participating ...

Participating in politics =
1) educate your self about parliament and how it works .
2) Be active as voter
3) Be informed about world-wide happenings and news .
4) Start to care the same and for people thousands kilometers away
5) Get in to a political party , so to have an way to pass your opinion
6) Talk with others about your problems , and demonstrate when you are against of any injustice,
 by getting down to the streets .

The many, they believe that there is somewhere an autopilot , and everything works even and with out them.

  

[Mechatrommer]

The correct words are  Participating ...
Participating in politics =
1) educate your self about parliament and how it works .
2) Be active as voter
3) Be informed about world-wide happenings and news .
4) Start to care the same and for people thousands kilometers away
5) Get in to a political party , so to have an way to pass your opinion
6) Talk with others about your problems , and demonstrate when you are against of any injustice,
 by getting down to the streets .

1) learnt that in school, saw that in tv, and basically know the theory is.
2) last election i was about to. but the opposition candidate who i was about to elect withdrew due to compensation (dont know how many millions) from current government, the government candidate win without competition.
3) thats why i'm here.
4) thats why i'm posting
5) as Dave's said... "its not within my job specification/scope of work"
6) globally, i already posted. locally, well... its not within my job scope of work, unless you want to stay in jail under ISA (Internal Security Act)

[Kiriakos-GR]

The sum of points (numerical ) of your answers ,  

Gives as final result , that you are an Soft fighter.

The  every day reality , show that the opponent is an Hard fighter.

Your chances to win are few, or none  .  

[Mechatrommer]

Gives as final result , that you are an Soft fighter.
The  every day reality , show that the opponent is an Hard fighter.
Your chances to win are few, or none  . 

if just a rocket launcher is easy to build.

[Simon]

Shame to see you go and hope you get back on your feet.

I think the idiots who borrowed more than they could afford are just as much to blame as the bankers.

What should the government have done? Let the banks fail.

Yes, maths is not that hard and people should know what they can afford. I'd shoot the bastards who just borrowed and borrowed. Yes i would have let the banks fail and instead give the money we gave away to them straight to the people who had money in those failed banks

[Kiriakos-GR]

I'd shoot the bastards who just borrowed and borrowed.

I think that the bankers will disagree with you ..
Those good people, would be happier to own your home .. than taking your life.

[Simon]

well the banks are also to blame for not getting enough guarantees of the loans they made. what they did was know and calculate that a certain percentage would not be able to pay back but got the math wrong, over leant and got us all screwed. still just because you can borrow more than you can afford is not a good excuse to do so. There is fault on all sides

[Kiriakos-GR]

Any way ... I have a task for you ..
check this and help if possible ..
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3261.0
Or relocate my message to suggestions ..

[Simon]

The topic is gone - what you been up to ?

[A Hellene]

Bankers? Please watch a very rare lecture given by Gary Fielder at The University of Colorado School of Law on Dec. 4, 2008, called:
"The gig is up: Money, the Federal Reserve and You".
Additionally, for further information, follow the links he suggests.

My favorite documentary, which I strongly believe that should be taught at schools, is the three and a half hours long historical documentary called:
"The Money Masters (1998)" written by Patrick S.J. Carmack. It is available to be watched for free by video-sharing services at the these locations:
#1, #2,
#3
and a special one with Greek subtitles(!) .


-George

[Kiriakos-GR]

The topic is gone - what you been up to ?

Gone where ?

its still there:
EEVblog Electronics Community Forum > EEVblog > General Chat > Mini test : Chauvin Arnoux PAC12 AC/DC PRO Probe Clamp

[Mechatrommer]

The topic is gone - what you been up to ?

maybe you need some catch up friend https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3232.0
last time he almost broke due to economical issue, now he's back with very high spirit. he also got a task now.