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Another dangerous Amazon product
« on: November 13, 2023, 03:45:49 pm »
Apparently, the cure for an outlet that is so worn out that it cannot hold the plug is to tape the plug into the outlet.  Does Amazon sell these in other countries or are they only trying to burn down the USA?  There are so many products out there now that are just scary.

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2023, 03:48:53 pm »
How many grandmothers are buying these to hold their power strip plug-in into the outlet and then without any thought to the bad connection, run other stuff on the power strip like a TV, sat box, surround sound system and an occasional vacuum cleaner?
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2023, 03:54:59 pm »
Get the glow-in-the-dark pack it's safer!  :palm:
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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2023, 04:06:36 pm »
Just in time for space heater season!

Personally, I just replace loose outlets and don't tell anybody.

 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2023, 04:28:49 pm »
Hey now, it "improves electrical connection." Obviously that's safe, right?
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2023, 04:53:48 pm »
Apparently, the cure for an outlet that is so worn out that it cannot hold the plug is to tape the plug into the outlet.

Indeed it's stupid. The right cure is to migrate from those abysmal NEMA connectors to the one and only CEE 7/7 (and 7/16 or 7/17 where applicable).
You're not allowed to do that in US. Nor locally purchased devices have such plug.
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2023, 04:53:59 pm »
Only use the gold plated ones. 😃
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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2023, 04:54:28 pm »
Apparently, the cure for an outlet that is so worn out that it cannot hold the plug is to tape the plug into the outlet.

Indeed it's stupid. The right cure is to migrate from those abysmal NEMA connectors to the one and only CEE 7/7 (and 7/16 or 7/17 where applicable).

So you are seriously suggesting that an entire country should transition from ancient, crappy and dangerous plug design into another ancient, crappy and equally dangerous plug design, the one which required the legislation to limit EV/plug in hybrid charging to mere 8A, half of the rated current, because of all the fires that ensued when people tried to use the sockets and plugs at manufacturer's advertised ratings? Give me a break, why don't we all transition into one common plug/socket - namely the UK one (which is specifically fun to step on).
 
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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2023, 04:57:11 pm »
Apparently, the cure for an outlet that is so worn out that it cannot hold the plug is to tape the plug into the outlet.

Indeed it's stupid. The right cure is to migrate from those abysmal NEMA connectors to the one and only CEE 7/7 (and 7/16 or 7/17 where applicable).

So you are seriously suggesting that an entire country should transition from ancient, crappy and dangerous plug design into another ancient, crappy and equally dangerous plug design, the one which required the legislation to limit EV/plug in hybrid charging to mere 8A, half of the rated current, because of all the fires that ensued when people tried to use the sockets and plugs at manufacturer's advertised ratings?
It's not as crappy or dangerous though. European plugs and sockets prevent you from touching prongs of a partially unplugged plug. But it's very easy to do on US plug.
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2023, 04:59:19 pm »
Clearly, the US should upgrade to a BS1363 plug and socket system.   :popcorn:
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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2023, 05:00:35 pm »
Apparently, the cure for an outlet that is so worn out that it cannot hold the plug is to tape the plug into the outlet.  Does Amazon sell these in other countries or are they only trying to burn down the USA?  There are so many products out there now that are just scary.

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Are deliberately trying to get folks to type "snug plug" into amazon's search bar?  :-DD
 
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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2023, 05:05:35 pm »
Apparently, the cure for an outlet that is so worn out that it cannot hold the plug is to tape the plug into the outlet.

Indeed it's stupid. The right cure is to migrate from those abysmal NEMA connectors to the one and only CEE 7/7 (and 7/16 or 7/17 where applicable).
You're not allowed to do that in US. Nor locally purchased devices have such plug.
Just because you're "not allowed" doesn't mean you cannot do that.
Unlike in Latvia where nobody cares about that in existing buildings and likely Poland too, you can get a very hefty fine for that in US. EDIT: and good luck with home insurance.
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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2023, 05:21:26 pm »
So you are seriously suggesting that an entire country should transition from ancient, crappy and dangerous plug design into another ancient, crappy and equally dangerous plug design, the one which required the legislation to limit EV/plug in hybrid charging to mere 8A, half of the rated current, because of all the fires that ensued when people tried to use the sockets and plugs at manufacturer's advertised ratings? Give me a break, why don't we all transition into one common plug/socket - namely the UK one (which is specifically fun to step on).

What legislation is that? Schuko portable EV chargers run at 12 amps, 75% of the 16 amp rating.  That's what VW ship with their European cars...
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2023, 05:56:06 pm »
US Hospital Grade devices must meet the attached standard. There is a similar standard for commercial grade (including residential)

https://www.stayonline.com/product-resources/hospital-grade-plug-and-receptacles.asp
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2023, 05:58:37 pm »
Clearly, the US should upgrade to a BS1363 plug and socket system.   :popcorn:

NEMA connectors are chabuduo designs from the ancient past.
British plugs are a prime example of design committee suffering from health & safety variant of OCD.
CEE 7/7 is the pragmatic compromise.


Yeah yeah yeah shucko / CEE7 / blah blah blah. No thanks.

Trying to unplug my charger and the socket comes off the wall and look what's in there - things to touch!  :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm:



Also generally used in places where electrical "safety" looks like this



Those are two separate places for ref over 100 miles apart. Not the same place.

Also they had a hair dryer you could use while showering in another place.
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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2023, 06:20:29 pm »
Clearly, the US should upgrade to a BS1363 plug and socket system.   :popcorn:

NEMA connectors are chabuduo designs from the ancient past.
British plugs are a prime example of design committee suffering from health & safety variant of OCD.
CEE 7/7 is the pragmatic compromise.
It doesn’t enforce polarity, and the plugs are twice the size they need to be.

People should look at the Swiss plug system. It’s compact, safe, and has some really neat features (like three-phase outlets that accept single-phase plugs without needing any adapters or anything.)
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2023, 06:27:49 pm »
Clearly, the US should upgrade to a BS1363 plug and socket system.   :popcorn:

NEMA connectors are chabuduo designs from the ancient past.
British plugs are a prime example of design committee suffering from health & safety variant of OCD.
CEE 7/7 is the pragmatic compromise.
It doesn’t enforce polarity, and the plugs are twice the size they need to be.

People should look at the Swiss plug system. It’s compact, safe, and has some really neat features (like three-phase outlets that accept single-phase plugs without needing any adapters or anything.)
It's rated for 10A, so hell no. Not as little power available as in US, but still, hell no. My pressure washer and welder are too power hungry for these.
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2023, 06:34:42 pm »
Clearly, the US should upgrade to a BS1363 plug and socket system.   :popcorn:

NEMA connectors are chabuduo designs from the ancient past.
British plugs are a prime example of design committee suffering from health & safety variant of OCD.
CEE 7/7 is the pragmatic compromise.


Yeah yeah yeah shucko / CEE7 / blah blah blah. No thanks.

Trying to unplug my charger and the socket comes off the wall and look what's in there - things to touch!  :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm:



Also generally used in places where electrical "safety" looks like this



Those are two separate places for ref over 100 miles apart. Not the same place.

Also they had a hair dryer you could use while showering in another place.

Now, now, now.  The fault in the first picture is a truly global one. Possible with all outlets. It is unfair to attribute that to CEE 7/7. 

Second, having had some familiarity with where you take your pictures, I posit that the bathroom horror, is not, in fact, a CEE 7/7.  Nor is it a CEE 7/1, the closest lookalike. I believe it is a GOST 7396 socket. 

Further, there is no such thing as a 7/7 socket. 7/7 refers to the plug that is compatible with both the 7/3 socket (German style "Schuko", two exposed ground rails.) and the 7/5 socket ("French outlet", with a protruding ground pin, also, for the benefit of people who still think we're running DC, polarised).

Go read the Wikipedia page. It is informative.

Finally, I like the Schuko. When installed properly, it will easily carry the 10A it was allowed to do before the EU changed the laws of physics in Sweden and allowed it to carry 16.

If you want more, there's IEC 60309. Which is a right proper standard for high current.

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2023, 06:40:28 pm »
Now, now, now.  The fault in the first picture is a truly global one. Possible with all outlets. It is unfair to attribute that to CEE 7/7. 

Second, having had some familiarity with where you take your pictures, I posit that the bathroom horror, is not, in fact, a CEE 7/7.  Nor is it a CEE 7/1, the closest lookalike. I believe it is a GOST 7396 socket. 

Further, there is no such thing as a 7/7 socket. 7/7 refers to the plug that is compatible with both the 7/3 socket (German style "Schuko", two exposed ground rails.) and the 7/5 socket ("French outlet", with a protruding ground pin, also, for the benefit of people who still think we're running DC, polarised).

Go read the Wikipedia page. It is informative.

Finally, I like the Schuko. When installed properly, it will easily carry the 10A it was allowed to do before the EU changed the laws of physics in Sweden and allowed it to carry 16.

If you want more, there's IEC 60309. Which is a right proper standard for high current.

How is a human supposed to comprehend such "standards"?

We have: plug, socket. Plug always works with socket  :-DD
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2023, 06:46:54 pm »

How is a human supposed to comprehend such "standards"?

We have: plug, socket. Plug always works with socket  :-DD

You also drive on the wrong side of the road :-D

60309 is comprehensive, though. Both plugs and sockets. But don't go forcing a 216-4h plug (often yellow) into a 216-6h (probably blue) outlet, so it is more "Plug will work with socket under some circumstances".

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2023, 06:48:00 pm »
People should look at the Swiss plug system. It’s compact, safe, and has some really neat features (like three-phase outlets that accept single-phase plugs without needing any adapters or anything.)

Or the very similar looking (lacking the three-phase bits, though) IEC 60906-1.
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2023, 06:54:26 pm »

How is a human supposed to comprehend such "standards"?

We have: plug, socket. Plug always works with socket  :-DD

You also drive on the wrong side of the road :-D

60309 is comprehensive, though. Both plugs and sockets. But don't go forcing a 216-4h plug (often yellow) into a 216-6h (probably blue) outlet, so it is more "Plug will work with socket under some circumstances".

I'm not going to argue over the wrong side of the road thing. I prefer driving on the right!

As for the plug compatibility thing  :palm:
 

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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2023, 06:55:41 pm »

How is a human supposed to comprehend such "standards"?

We have: plug, socket. Plug always works with socket  :-DD

You also drive on the wrong side of the road :-D

60309 is comprehensive, though. Both plugs and sockets. But don't go forcing a 216-4h plug (often yellow) into a 216-6h (probably blue) outlet, so it is more "Plug will work with socket under some circumstances".

I can confirm that this does happen on construction sites. Makes you thankful for proper circuit protection, and also the end of the working day
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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2023, 10:28:17 pm »
But this is not DC  |O

AC mains has no concept of polarity, you have three wires and between each pair (120°) there's 230VAC RMS.
It is not DC but there is polarity. Line and neutral cannot be connected in opposite ways unlike with European CEE 7/7 plugs you mentioned (with exception when combined with French and apparently Polish type E outlets).
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Re: Another dangerous Amazon product
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2023, 11:26:14 pm »
Also, careful use of three-phase mains keeps track of "rotation", the lag/lead between the three live phases.
Otherwise, a three-phase motor will turn in the opposite direction.

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