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Another dangerous Amazon product
tooki:
--- Quote from: PapierzToaletowy on November 13, 2023, 05:07:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on November 13, 2023, 04:59:19 pm ---Clearly, the US should upgrade to a BS1363 plug and socket system. :popcorn:
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NEMA connectors are chabuduo designs from the ancient past.
British plugs are a prime example of design committee suffering from health & safety variant of OCD.
CEE 7/7 is the pragmatic compromise.
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It doesn’t enforce polarity, and the plugs are twice the size they need to be.
People should look at the Swiss plug system. It’s compact, safe, and has some really neat features (like three-phase outlets that accept single-phase plugs without needing any adapters or anything.)
wraper:
--- Quote from: tooki on November 13, 2023, 06:20:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: PapierzToaletowy on November 13, 2023, 05:07:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on November 13, 2023, 04:59:19 pm ---Clearly, the US should upgrade to a BS1363 plug and socket system. :popcorn:
--- End quote ---
NEMA connectors are chabuduo designs from the ancient past.
British plugs are a prime example of design committee suffering from health & safety variant of OCD.
CEE 7/7 is the pragmatic compromise.
--- End quote ---
It doesn’t enforce polarity, and the plugs are twice the size they need to be.
People should look at the Swiss plug system. It’s compact, safe, and has some really neat features (like three-phase outlets that accept single-phase plugs without needing any adapters or anything.)
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It's rated for 10A, so hell no. Not as little power available as in US, but still, hell no. My pressure washer and welder are too power hungry for these.
mansaxel:
--- Quote from: bd139 on November 13, 2023, 05:58:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: PapierzToaletowy on November 13, 2023, 05:07:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on November 13, 2023, 04:59:19 pm ---Clearly, the US should upgrade to a BS1363 plug and socket system. :popcorn:
--- End quote ---
NEMA connectors are chabuduo designs from the ancient past.
British plugs are a prime example of design committee suffering from health & safety variant of OCD.
CEE 7/7 is the pragmatic compromise.
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Yeah yeah yeah shucko / CEE7 / blah blah blah. No thanks.
Trying to unplug my charger and the socket comes off the wall and look what's in there - things to touch! :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm:
Also generally used in places where electrical "safety" looks like this
Those are two separate places for ref over 100 miles apart. Not the same place.
Also they had a hair dryer you could use while showering in another place.
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Now, now, now. The fault in the first picture is a truly global one. Possible with all outlets. It is unfair to attribute that to CEE 7/7.
Second, having had some familiarity with where you take your pictures, I posit that the bathroom horror, is not, in fact, a CEE 7/7. Nor is it a CEE 7/1, the closest lookalike. I believe it is a GOST 7396 socket.
Further, there is no such thing as a 7/7 socket. 7/7 refers to the plug that is compatible with both the 7/3 socket (German style "Schuko", two exposed ground rails.) and the 7/5 socket ("French outlet", with a protruding ground pin, also, for the benefit of people who still think we're running DC, polarised).
Go read the Wikipedia page. It is informative.
Finally, I like the Schuko. When installed properly, it will easily carry the 10A it was allowed to do before the EU changed the laws of physics in Sweden and allowed it to carry 16.
If you want more, there's IEC 60309. Which is a right proper standard for high current.
bd139:
--- Quote from: mansaxel on November 13, 2023, 06:34:42 pm ---Now, now, now. The fault in the first picture is a truly global one. Possible with all outlets. It is unfair to attribute that to CEE 7/7.
Second, having had some familiarity with where you take your pictures, I posit that the bathroom horror, is not, in fact, a CEE 7/7. Nor is it a CEE 7/1, the closest lookalike. I believe it is a GOST 7396 socket.
Further, there is no such thing as a 7/7 socket. 7/7 refers to the plug that is compatible with both the 7/3 socket (German style "Schuko", two exposed ground rails.) and the 7/5 socket ("French outlet", with a protruding ground pin, also, for the benefit of people who still think we're running DC, polarised).
Go read the Wikipedia page. It is informative.
Finally, I like the Schuko. When installed properly, it will easily carry the 10A it was allowed to do before the EU changed the laws of physics in Sweden and allowed it to carry 16.
If you want more, there's IEC 60309. Which is a right proper standard for high current.
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How is a human supposed to comprehend such "standards"?
We have: plug, socket. Plug always works with socket :-DD
mansaxel:
--- Quote from: bd139 on November 13, 2023, 06:40:28 pm ---
How is a human supposed to comprehend such "standards"?
We have: plug, socket. Plug always works with socket :-DD
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You also drive on the wrong side of the road :-D
60309 is comprehensive, though. Both plugs and sockets. But don't go forcing a 216-4h plug (often yellow) into a 216-6h (probably blue) outlet, so it is more "Plug will work with socket under some circumstances".
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