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Someone:

--- Quote from: TimFox on November 13, 2023, 11:26:14 pm ---Also, careful use of three-phase mains keeps track of "rotation", the lag/lead between the three live phases.
Otherwise, a three-phase motor will turn in the opposite direction.
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There is a way around that.

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 13, 2023, 05:21:26 pm ---What legislation is that? Schuko portable EV chargers run at 12 amps, 75% of the 16 amp rating.  That's what VW ship with their European cars...

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You are right, I stand corrected, it isn't mandatory legislation, just national recommendations. Actually here people and companies take those recommendations seriously enough that finding a schuko portable evse over 8A takes some effort, only better equipped stores sell them. (And you can hear claims they are illegal when they are not. In any case, the whole discussion triggered from poor safety of 16A rated Schuko sockets and plugs when used anywhere near 16A, across many well-known manufacturers, even when the plugs are not visibly damaged. As mansaxel points out, 10A would be a more suitable rating.)

A decade back, I was present when there was lobbying going to make that 8A limit into EU legislation but I'm glad it didn't happen. But car manufacturers seem to take that seriously, too, e.g. Nissan Schuko chargers run at recommended 8A.

themadhippy:

--- Quote ---You are right, I stand corrected, it isn't mandatory legislation, just national recommendations.
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They've pulled similar crap in the uk,our sockets,to comply with the appropate BS standards are required to chuck out at least 13A ,but that aint good enough,if the socket is to be used to charge EV's it needs to be a "special" socket complete with a little ev symbol.

tooki:

--- Quote from: wraper on November 13, 2023, 06:27:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on November 13, 2023, 06:20:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: PapierzToaletowy on November 13, 2023, 05:07:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on November 13, 2023, 04:59:19 pm ---Clearly, the US should upgrade to a BS1363 plug and socket system.   :popcorn:

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NEMA connectors are chabuduo designs from the ancient past.
British plugs are a prime example of design committee suffering from health & safety variant of OCD.
CEE 7/7 is the pragmatic compromise.

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It doesn’t enforce polarity, and the plugs are twice the size they need to be.

People should look at the Swiss plug system. It’s compact, safe, and has some really neat features (like three-phase outlets that accept single-phase plugs without needing any adapters or anything.)

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It's rated for 10A, so hell no. Not as little power available as in US, but still, hell no. My pressure washer and welder are too power hungry for these.

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The Swiss plug system encompasses both 10A and 16A variants in both single- and three-phase types. The 16A three-phase socket accepts all the plug variants.

For any loads larger than this, the big “CEE industrial” (IEC 60309) system is used.

The Doktor:
The problem is that they're made of plastic and prevent one side of the plug from making contact. Just mae them from pure copper and they'll work great :-DD

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