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Another deadly 737 Max control bug just found!
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SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: MyHeadHz on July 29, 2019, 02:47:40 pm ---The real root cause is a complete lack of accountability, and these events will happen until that changes.  Judging by the long history of similar events, I'm not going to hold my breath.

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Well, I'm not sure there is a complete lack of accountability. A CEO is still responsible for anything unlawful that could happen in their company (at least in many countries). The problem is that there is never FULL accountabilty, so it's always limited in some way. Then it can be very hard to formally prove there was a chain of bad decisions that led to the deadly situation. I have no figures, but I'd venture that most cases of CEOs getting tried are for financial/fiscal fraud, and not for bad management leading to bad product design...

KL27x:

--- Quote ---pt money over lives... more than once, that CEO/management/engineers would be arrested and tried for hundreds of counts of murder.  The same goes for felony charges with investment and other fraud.  But, time and time again these laws are not enforced.  The CEO of Boeing still has his job and is still making millions.
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The irony is that Boeing is likely extremely bloated and wasteful, and CEO probably has a lot of ways to improve efficiency and reduce wasteful spending. But budget cuts can be as much to do with politics as common sense. Where can we cut spending WITHOUT suffering major resistance and backlash?

I think the personality type that pursues and achieves political influence is not often coincidental with engineering proficiency. Even though their opinion and thoughts on things like airplanes should have some weight, they are not necessarily the squeakiest wheel in the grand scheme of running a company.

There are only so many ways you can tell nicely someone you're right they they're wrong before you just accept they are gonna do what they are going to do, and good luck with that.

It's the folks that project 100% confidence and persistence that get listened to. A good engineer knows he's human and it's possible someone else either knows more or can get lucky. So he's never going to be as convincing or persuasive.

Steve Jobs was successful because Woz could actually back up him up and deliver.
floobydust:
It's interesting a cannabis grower just fired their CEO and board chairman over unlicensed growing of marijuana in 5 unapproved rooms.
Nobody died, they just broke the rules for extra product and lied about them to Health Canada. Stock plummets 50% and CEO tossed and loses his $6.2M in stock options.

But here Dennis Muilenburg makes killer airplanes and keeps rolling along as CEO and chairman, $24M in compensation, $1.7M salary, as if nothing has happened. Imagine offering a paltry $50M for the victim fund. 40% of the price of a single aircraft, not even half a plane's worth.

I feel a lot for the dozens of engineers with ruined careers at Boeing and the FAA, after this criminal approach to steamroller the 737 max through approvals.

Boeing fully deserves to go down the shitter and take its investors with it. But they can afford the best lawyers in America, I expect nothing to happen.
There is no deterrence to being a crook CEO.
coppercone2:
unlike cannabis growers, boeing is in bed with the military industrial complex. license to do anything until congressional hearing

Some man with some astrophysical shapes on his green uniform came in and asked "this won't effect our new missile project will it guys? Dennis has a way of meeting our dead lines and keeping this nation safe.... we can't afford to stir the pot with this little mishap with everything that's going on around the world right now.. "

I know its military branch is theoretically separated, but its all connected in reality I am sure.
SiliconWizard:
Ahah, for some reason that reminded me of one episode of The Big Bang Theory...
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