Food Inc

[Sionyn]

dave latest tweet about reminded me of this film

i forgot how disturbing some people treat life on this planet




thanks for the reminder dave
now my gf understands why i am a veggie 

[Sionyn]

http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/terminator.shtml

[saturation]

Meat comes from "animals" [that is, anything that isn't a plant], its just a question of how one goes about 'harvesting' it.  In the wild, its not done humanely, whatever that means, and its easy to see if you study natural history more or if not so inclined, watch any of BBC Attenborough shows.  He won't sanitize it like Discovery channel or Disney will for the sake of 'family time' or the 'Finding Nemo' generation.

Some predators at least lions, tigers, and even cats, give the prey the coup de grace before dining, compared to these folks.  Begins at 30 sec from the start, you can see the terror in the prey's eyes.




Others, like to eat their prey alive from the inside out, such as various types of parasites that prey on animals, include humans.



There is also the possibility plants of all sort have feelings or advance nervous systems unknown to us, and well, eating a salad is to eat them alive.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/study-unveils-plant-nervous-system-illuminating-how-plants-remember-and-react

[allanw]

You seem to only post a lot of videos about things barely related to electronics.

[Zero999]

Meat comes from "animals" [that is, anything that isn't a plant], its just a question of how one goes about 'harvesting' it.  In the wild, its not done humanely, whatever that means, and its easy to see if you study natural history more or if not so inclined, watch any of BBC Attenborough shows.  He won't sanitize it like Discovery channel or Disney will for the sake of 'family time' or the 'Finding Nemo' generation.

Some predators at least lions, tigers, and even cats, give the prey the coup de grace before dining, compared to these folks.  Begins at 30 sec from the start, you can see the terror in the prey's eyes.

I'm not convinced.

Fair enough, in nature the last minutes of the prey animal's life may not be very pleasant but at least it got a chance to live properly in the first place, unlike a poor battery hen reared in a human run farm.

Then there's the case of which animals suffer more than others, you can hardly say a brainless oyster has the same mental capacity to feel pain and suffer as a dolphin.

[saturation]

I think its been discussed more in other forums, and it is way off topic for this forum.

Regardless, my final post on this thread, yes, I'd say Dolphins are smarter and feel more more than oysters, and oysters feel more than insects who feel more that bacteria, but where will it end so that that becomes permissible food item?

If one says veggies, another can say chicken.   If one is trying to create some ethics or moral truth about feeling and intelligence needed to be food, well, tell it to the Eskimos, Mongols, or Bedouins.

Finally, I'm more interested to know if an Eskimo wanted a Rigol 1052e and in knowing what they'll use it for, in a place like Barrow, Alaska.

Meat comes from "animals" [that is, anything that isn't a plant], its just a question of how one goes about 'harvesting' it.  In the wild, its not done humanely, whatever that means, and its easy to see if you study natural history more or if not so inclined, watch any of BBC Attenborough shows.  He won't sanitize it like Discovery channel or Disney will for the sake of 'family time' or the 'Finding Nemo' generation.

Some predators at least lions, tigers, and even cats, give the prey the coup de grace before dining, compared to these folks.  Begins at 30 sec from the start, you can see the terror in the prey's eyes.

I'm not convinced.

Fair enough, in nature the last minutes of the prey animal's life may not be very pleasant but at least it got a chance to live properly in the first place, unlike a poor battery hen reared in a human run farm.

Then there's the case of which animals suffer more than others, you can hardly say a brainless oyster has the same mental capacity to feel pain and suffer as a dolphin.

[Zero999]

oysters feel more than insects

I think you got that backwards, oysters simply sit at the bottom of the sea bed filter feeding and barely have any more intelligence than a cabbage. An insect is active and can have some degree of memory even intelligence.

Finally, I'm more interested to know if an Eskimo wanted a Rigol 1052e and in knowing what they'll use it for, in a place like Barrow, Alaska.

What's that got to do with this?

[Mechatrommer]

you are free to choose between carnivor, herbivor and omnivor. the systems are well accepted in our reality. except, canibalism

You seem to only post a lot of videos about things barely related to electronics.

national geographic version of eevblog

[Zero999]

The only one you can't choose is veganism, not without vitamin supplements or yeast extract (Marmite) which is the only natural source of vitamen B₁₂. Anyone who says humans evolved from a herbivorous animal is talking nonsense. We've always had to eat animal products, even if at one stage our diet was mostly vegetarian we still had to eat some animals to supplement our diet. Back in the stone age, we didn't have the technology to obtain B₁₂ from yeast so if there was a part of our history when we couldn't hunt large animals we, would've feasted on yummy invertebrates, raw eggs and carrion.

[Excavatoree]

I think its been discussed more in other forums, and it is way off topic for this forum.
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I can understand wanting to discuss non electronic topics with those we have met on this forum, with whom we share a common interest.

Maybe we could consider, or-rename this section "General Electrical/Electonics Chat" and have a separate section for non electronic/electrical discussions as several other forums do?

One can only belong to so many forums, and it seems silly to not have intelligent discusssions with people who share a common interest - even if it's not related to the topic about which the forum where we all met.