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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #150 on: October 25, 2018, 10:40:33 pm »
Its not widely known but the very first Apple computer was in part invented by the two Steves to evade the law. As a frequency stable, precisely timed telephone "blue box".

Nothing made their eyes light up more than discussing the fun they had doing this back in those early days.
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #151 on: October 26, 2018, 03:03:39 am »
Kudos to Rossman for making these videos.... I enjoy them and wish him all the best. I hope he can get a lawyer to take up his case for free and see how far he can go with this. Even if they don't win, the publicity will help consumers make more informed choices on where they are spending their hard-earned money.

Then again, "repairability" is probably not very high in the consciousness of a typical consumer of these gadgets. They figure they will be obsolete in a few years anyways, or they will be upgrading it before it needs to be repaired, or the cost will not even be worth it. So for the vast majority of consumers I think they couldn't give a hoot.

I do agree though that the supply chain needs to be controlled more vigorously to prevent counterfeits. Rossman shouldn't have to forfeit his goods if they are authentic batteries, and the question is on who is the onus to prove the imported goods are fake or real, Apple or Rossman? I for one have not had a good experience buying a battery from China, as the following video shows for an old/vintage/obsolete iPhone 4S:

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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #152 on: October 26, 2018, 12:59:29 pm »
I do agree though that the supply chain needs to be controlled more vigorously to prevent counterfeits. Rossman shouldn't have to forfeit his goods if they are authentic batteries, and the question is on who is the onus to prove the imported goods are fake or real, Apple or Rossman? I for one have not had a good experience buying a battery from China, as the following video shows for an old/vintage/obsolete iPhone 4S:

Well, that has happened with Apple's own 4x the price "certified top notch" batteries as well, not only in their iPhones and iPods but in their laptops too...

So what?
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #153 on: October 26, 2018, 08:12:41 pm »
Fun fact! The current governor of Arizona is a guy called Doug Ducey, and prior to running for office, he ran a chain of ice cream parlors that went bankrupt.
That's right -- he couldn't make money selling ice cream in Arizona.

Fun Fact!  Cold Stone is doing quite well, even with several shops here in chilly Oregon selling ice cream.  You might want to find a more reputable source for your "Fun Facts".

Fun Fact! He's no longer involved in that business! It was taken over by people who actually know how to run a business, after he ran it into the dirt.
 

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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #154 on: October 26, 2018, 08:30:29 pm »
Part of what's happening is that Apple hates it when people get more than a few years life out of a laptop.

People should be aware that if you bring a laptop thats no longer under Apple Care (or if god forbid you dont have it and its a year and a day after you bought it) you're going to be presented with a cost that has nothing to do with the actual cost of repair. And if you cant pay it they may well try to keep, and junk, your laptop. Oops.

This is why people seek out non-Apple repair techs. Sometimes people can't afford to buy a new one.

In the coming years, more and more people are going to find themselves struggling as jobs are lost by the millions to labor saving technologies. Unless the price of computing hardware falls (and it is in many market segments, even laptops, but not with Apple.)

That means that fewer and fewer people will be able to afford to buy new.

Are many mega corporations adjusting to the new economic reality of low growth or no growth or shrinking spending?

NO, most are pretending it doesn't exist, while doing their best to trap people in as many ways they can.
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #155 on: October 26, 2018, 08:44:13 pm »
Its said CrapApple patented their own screws (pentalobe etc) and screwdrivers so anybody who makes or replaces them violates their intellectual property. And as previously pointed out would be like if an car repair shop changes the tyres on your car then get sued by the car manufacturer or the tyre manufacturer for doing so.  :horse:
They’re not patented. Both no-name and top-tier tool companies sell the screwdrivers for them. Replacement screw kits for iPhones existed for a while, but then the screwdrivers became so ubiquitous that now you just get the drivers. (They’re better than Phillips screws anyway, as they behave much like Torx, in that they don’t cam out.)
Word patent was attention seeker (worked on you tooki), and point was car repair shop changes the tyres on your car then get sued by the car manufacturer for similar reason Apple tries to squeeze Louis ! ;)

drivers. (They’re better than Phillips screws anyway, as they behave much like Torx, in that they don’t cam out.)
Indeed. Wera sell Pentalobes: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/screwdrivers/1230844/

Cam out is a big problem. I've seen a lot of top tier stuff in defence sector with Philips and even slot screws turn up shredded when it was new believe it or not. Pozidriv FTW.

Lots of places sell pentalobe drivers, no mysticism about that..Cam out is not much of a problem on low torque screws
like crapApple!

Apple engineer sues crapApple!
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/28/apple_engineer_sues/
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #156 on: October 26, 2018, 09:11:53 pm »
Fun Fact! He's no longer involved in that business! It was taken over by people who actually know how to run a business, after he ran it into the dirt.
Perhaps you could call that a (politically-motivated) interperetation.   :bullshit:

It appears that he was one of several dozen franchisees who were abused by the franchise owner to the point where they brought a class-action suit against them.

There is no evidence that his shops in Phonenix (or anywhere else) actually went out of business.
 

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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #157 on: October 26, 2018, 10:04:17 pm »
Its said CrapApple patented their own screws (pentalobe etc) and screwdrivers so anybody who makes or replaces them violates their intellectual property. And as previously pointed out would be like if an car repair shop changes the tyres on your car then get sued by the car manufacturer or the tyre manufacturer for doing so.  :horse:
They’re not patented. Both no-name and top-tier tool companies sell the screwdrivers for them. Replacement screw kits for iPhones existed for a while, but then the screwdrivers became so ubiquitous that now you just get the drivers. (They’re better than Phillips screws anyway, as they behave much like Torx, in that they don’t cam out.)
Word patent was attention seeker (worked on you tooki), and point was car repair shop changes the tyres on your car then get sued by the car manufacturer for similar reason Apple tries to squeeze Louis ! ;)
So you’re actually admitting that you deliberately chose untrue wording — you lied — for attention? That’s pathetic.  :-DD

drivers. (They’re better than Phillips screws anyway, as they behave much like Torx, in that they don’t cam out.)
Indeed. Wera sell Pentalobes: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/screwdrivers/1230844/

Cam out is a big problem. I've seen a lot of top tier stuff in defence sector with Philips and even slot screws turn up shredded when it was new believe it or not. Pozidriv FTW.
Lots of places sell pentalobe drivers, no mysticism about that..
FYI, I think you meant perhaps “mystery”. “Mysticism” is a word having to do with religion.

Cam out is not much of a problem on low torque screws
like crapApple!
Uhhh... Yeah, it is a problem. We wouldn’t have developed superior screw head styles if the existing ones had been good.

Apple engineer sues crapApple!
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/28/apple_engineer_sues/
Lots of people sue their former employers. Sounds like this guy and his management didn’t get along well. Happens anywhere.
 

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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #158 on: October 27, 2018, 02:46:15 pm »
So you’re actually admitting that you deliberately chose untrue wording — you lied — for attention? That’s pathetic.  :-DD
No lies , just you who always tries to be "right" is pathetic!..... and you bought into it! :-DD

drivers. (They’re better than Phillips screws anyway, as they behave much like Torx, in that they don’t cam out.)
Indeed. Wera sell Pentalobes: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/screwdrivers/1230844/

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Cam out is a big problem. I've seen a lot of top tier stuff in defence sector with Philips and even slot screws turn up shredded when it was new believe it or not. Pozidriv FTW.
Lots of places sell pentalobe drivers, no mysticism about that..
FYI, I think you meant perhaps “mystery”. “Mysticism” is a word having to do with religion.
What its all about, religion in screw heads!

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Cam out is not much of a problem on low torque screws
like crapApple!
Uhhh... Yeah, it is a problem. We wouldn’t have developed superior screw head styles if the existing ones had been good.
Not at all , dont use excessive force dude! Just use a clicker torque wrench.


Anyho, it just shows that there is nutting special about Apple before and after Steve Jobbs! Apple just tries make people into misery, thats all.
 

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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #159 on: October 27, 2018, 04:18:00 pm »
MT, you need to learn to shut up before making a fool of yourself.
 
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #161 on: October 29, 2018, 10:32:12 pm »
Fun Fact! He's no longer involved in that business! It was taken over by people who actually know how to run a business, after he ran it into the dirt.
Perhaps you could call that a (politically-motivated) interperetation.   :bullshit:

It appears that he was one of several dozen franchisees who were abused by the franchise owner to the point where they brought a class-action suit against them.

There is no evidence that his shops in Phonenix (or anywhere else) actually went out of business.

You do realize that bankruptcy doesn't mean that the business closes up shop, right?
 
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #162 on: October 29, 2018, 11:59:15 pm »
You do realize that bankruptcy doesn't mean that the business closes up shop, right?
You do realize that bankruptcy doesn't mean that you personally did something wrong, right?
Remind me what this has to do with Rossman and Apple?  Or perhaps not.  This whole discussion has turned stupid.
 
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #163 on: November 12, 2018, 03:30:18 am »
1 week ago, posted on YT:


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Louis Rossmann
Just signed an agreement with @ljfrench009 to get some help regarding my battery case. I am excited. It could blow up in my face, or it could go really well and set a strong precedent going forward. Either way, I am happy. The more people know the hoops we have to jump through to get an original quality battery for a Macbook repair the better. Damn near harder than importing drugs....

to be continued.
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #164 on: November 12, 2018, 12:21:20 pm »
1 week ago, posted on YT:


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Louis Rossmann
Just signed an agreement with @ljfrench009 to get some help regarding my battery case. I am excited. It could blow up in my face, or it could go really well and set a strong precedent going forward. Either way, I am happy. The more people know the hoops we have to jump through to get an original quality battery for a Macbook repair the better. Damn near harder than importing drugs....

to be continued.
So it looks like the batteries were not original, but "original quality"
 

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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #165 on: November 12, 2018, 12:27:19 pm »
Explained.

They were originally described as original.

Now they are described as original quality.

The programmer in me knows how dangerous minute syntax changes can be.
 
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #166 on: November 12, 2018, 02:50:56 pm »
Actually, diagnosing computer problems can be extremely time-consuming. Several hours is absolutely a realistic amount of time for diagnosing many problems. And many car companies ARE only selling larger and larger modules and fewer individual components, so the trend in both industries is exactly the same. I'd say the car and computer industries are far more alike than they are different, in this regard.
I coudn't agree more. Some years ago I had a serious conflict with IBM because a storage server was experiencing transient data corruption on the SAS bus. We did not lose data thanks to the ZFS file system.

They claimed that the diagnostics did not detect anything (it was a kinda random error that happened only with high I/O workloads). And of course that we were not using a supported OS (we use FreeBSD) despite the fact that an exact twin server was working as a charm.

After many telephone exchanges they agreed to "replace the backplane for customer satisfaction reasons, ie, because the idiot customer wants something replaced" and it didn't help. Finally we decided to send them home and try to sort it out ourselves. Turned out to be a faulty SAS3 HBA. Of course IBM will not sell a dime here anymore.

So, how do you diagnose that? What do you need to detect some minor distortion or timing problem in a 12 Gbps SAS3 bus?

It's much cheaper to just replace the card.
 
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« Reply #167 on: November 12, 2018, 03:14:53 pm »
I'm always curious about those BOM estimates.  How do the people doing the teardowns know what Apple's line item costs are?  Do they just look parts up on DigiKey, or what? 

Safe to say the actual BOM costs are (a) lower than even the best-informed guesses, and (b) a closely-guarded secret.  Apple has a massive amount of leverage over their vendors, not all of which shows up on a balance sheet.
Of course the processor is just a Samsung part you can order from RS. :P

The software they don't develop, but acquire by revelation. Tim Cook and someone else spend a month in the Tibet doing some spiritual exercises and whatnot, and they transcribe que source code revelated by an angel riding a unicorn :D
 
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #168 on: November 12, 2018, 04:19:53 pm »
Hope this doesn't violate the rules. This is my opinion only. It would appear to me that Rossmann seems to specialize in sensationalism to get clicks. It works for him, I guess.

If he was attempting to import One Huang Lou "Apple"-branded parts, to resell as genuine, that were not genuine - then it would appear to me that he was clearly in the wrong. And Apple CLEARLY doesn't market genuine repair components in the Shenzhen Market.
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #169 on: November 12, 2018, 04:38:44 pm »
Hope this doesn't violate the rules. This is my opinion only. It would appear to me that Rossmann seems to specialize in sensationalism to get clicks. It works for him, I guess.

If he was attempting to import One Huang Lou "Apple"-branded parts, to resell as genuine, that were not genuine - then it would appear to me that he was clearly in the wrong. And Apple CLEARLY doesn't market genuine repair components in the Shenzhen Market.
You are missing the point.  Rossman is NOT "reselling as genuine".
He is attempting to perform 3rd party repair to Apple products which the manufacturer uses every nefarious method to prevent. Apple has nothing but distain for its customers.  It knows that they are sheep lining up for whatever piece of gold-plated fecal matter that Apple can foist upon them for even more $$$ than last year's model.
 
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #170 on: November 12, 2018, 06:59:06 pm »
Hope this doesn't violate the rules. This is my opinion only. It would appear to me that Rossmann seems to specialize in sensationalism to get clicks. It works for him, I guess.

If he was attempting to import One Huang Lou "Apple"-branded parts, to resell as genuine, that were not genuine - then it would appear to me that he was clearly in the wrong. And Apple CLEARLY doesn't market genuine repair components in the Shenzhen Market.
You are missing the point.  Rossman is NOT "reselling as genuine".
He is attempting to perform 3rd party repair to Apple products which the manufacturer uses every nefarious method to prevent. Apple has nothing but distain for its customers.  It knows that they are sheep lining up for whatever piece of gold-plated fecal matter that Apple can foist upon them for even more $$$ than last year's model.
If he is importing Apple-branded products of disputed authenticity to perform repair, he's bundling the sale of the product with his repair service. If the products contain the Apple logo and are not genuine parts, he should NOT be allowed to perform those repairs because people could mistake them for genuine parts.
Respectfully, I think that you missed my point. And please turn the drama variac back down to a safe voltage.
 
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #171 on: November 12, 2018, 10:09:38 pm »
It would appear (from watching Rossman's videos over several years) that he would rather NOT buy parts with that fruit logo on them.  Since the part is internal to the customer's gadget, the customer wouldn't know (or care) whether it was a "genuine" part or not. Rossman is not in the business of making Apple look good by repairing their lousy products. Or by claiming that he is using "genuine" parts (whatever that means).  Rossman is in the business of fixing his customers products so that they can get on with their lives without going to the Idiot Bar and losing all their data.  Or being told that their gadget can't be fixed because there is a newer model available for purchase.

The problem, of course, is when ordering from your average Asian source, you really never know what you are buying. They may claim that what you are buying has (or has not) any sort of logo, and is (or is not) a "direct replacement".  But you are left at the mercy of the vendor whether their claims are accurate or not.  And, then when the unknown goods arrive at the US port of entry, if Apple has their way, the goods will be seized as "counterfeit" whether they are or not.  Because they have the $$ to buy the best lawyers on the planet to do whatever they want.
 
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #172 on: November 12, 2018, 10:50:22 pm »
I wonder what would happen if I were to set up a repair shop named "Louis Rossman Apple Repairs"?  He's spent a significant amount of effort building a specific image and brand to drive his business - I'm sure he wouldn't be happy to see someone hijack it.  There would be no end to his lawsuits, writing and calling government agencies to report me, demanding seizures and prosecution, cease and desist letters, lawyering, raising a media stink about it, etc.  Rightly so.

Considering that's not the name of his business, nor the way he spells his last name, I'm not sure how much he would care. So long as you weren't using his image or purporting to be the same person, you'd be fine. Especially if that's actually your name.

My own surname is less common than his (even when correctly spelled), and I actually know two non-relatives with the same first and last name as myself. One of them is even in the same profession, although I'm much older than him.

Now Apple, on the other hand, might object to you using their trademarked name as part of yours, especially if you claim to be authorized by them.
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #173 on: November 12, 2018, 11:15:51 pm »
The real value in the Apple ecosystem is the polished nature of OS X, which is light years ahead of Windows in terms of user experience, not necessarily the hardware that much anymore. But it does have the advantage that because they have control over the HW ecosystem, by and large things 'just work' and go on working. However, their software advantage which used to be substantial is not that great anymore and there are significant downsides too, newer Apple HW is notably less durable than it used to be, or so it seems to me. For that reason I stopped buying it quite some time ago. I can't afford planned obsolescence.

It would appear (from watching Rossman's videos over several years) that he would rather NOT buy parts with that fruit logo on them.  Since the part is internal to the customer's gadget, the customer wouldn't know (or care) whether it was a "genuine" part or not. Rossman is not in the business of making Apple look good by repairing their lousy products. Or by claiming that he is using "genuine" parts (whatever that means).  Rossman is in the business of fixing his customers products so that they can get on with their lives without going to the Idiot Bar and losing all their data.  Or being told that their gadget can't be fixed because there is a newer model available for purchase.

The problem, of course, is when ordering from your average Asian source, you really never know what you are buying. They may claim that what you are buying has (or has not) any sort of logo, and is (or is not) a "direct replacement".  But you are left at the mercy of the vendor whether their claims are accurate or not.  And, then when the unknown goods arrive at the US port of entry, if Apple has their way, the goods will be seized as "counterfeit" whether they are or not.  Because they have the $$ to buy the best lawyers on the planet to do whatever they want.

If a part is a non-Apple part and is honestly represented as such, or a refurbished genuine part, and represented as such, either way, I don't think Apple should have any right to control any aspect of the transaction.

To give them that right would upend the rights that come with ownership of products of every kind in a really horrible way. That would be a real problem for people because suddenly, companies of all kinds would start trying to do the same thing with everything people buy.  They already are trying to pull tricks like that at every opportunity.

Ironically, it would become a "situation" that could turn around and bite Apple's reputation hard, exactly what they likely would be claiming they were trying to protect.

Also at the same time it would make people more everywhere aware of this important consumer rights issue, the right to repair.

The only thing that I think they could possibly hold against vendors and win is if a vendor sold used Apple parts - representing them as new.

Customers have the right to know if a part is refurbished to original factory specs, or used/as-is.
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Re: Apple & Customs STOLE Louis Rossmann batteries
« Reply #174 on: November 12, 2018, 11:32:29 pm »
The only thing that I think they could possibly hold against vendors and win is if a vendor sold used Apple parts - representing them as new.
Rossman has already shown us ample evidence that Apple is not playing by such a reasonable playbook.  From their actions, Apple appears to be doing everything and anything remotely possible to completely shut-down 3rd party repair.  Look at the completely ridiculous and preposterous claims their people make to legislative bodies (US and Canada, and probably elsewhere).

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Customers have the right to know if a part is refurbished to original factory specs, or used/as-is.
Absolutely.  But I doubt very much that Rossman is making any claims remotely resembling deception.  In fact, he is much more likely explaining to his customers that he has to get refurbished parts from Asia and chips harvested from "organ donor" cadavers in his morgue, etc. I would bet that most of his customers don't care where the parts came from as long as he can get their gadget working again with some sort of reasonably warranty (which is what he is doing).
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