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| tooki:
--- Quote from: floobydust on March 26, 2022, 10:27:25 pm ---"Apple shares climbed to a session high after Bloomberg reported on the news Thursday" did you miss out lol. "Some on Wall Street have previously urged Apple to switch to a subscription model. Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. analyst Toni Sacconaghi pitched the idea of hardware subscriptions in 2016, saying at the time that it could help Apple get to a $1 trillion market valuation. Apple hit that milestone without embracing the approach... but ..." He touts it as a way to cater to investors who like predictability and stability. --- End quote --- What is your point?? We all know what’s being said. My point is that the source of that info is ONE source: Bloomberg. And that I don’t trust Bloomberg farther than I can spit. Everyone else is repeating what Bloomberg said. It’d be different if multiple news outlets had heard the same thing independently. So all this outrage over something that a) is anything but confirmed, a lowest grade rumor, no more, and b) just a relabeling of a common practice. |
| Cerebus:
If you actually read the Bloomberg article, properly, you soon notice that there are a lot of weasel words ... --- Quote from: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-24/apple-is-working-on-a-hardware-subscription-service-for-iphones ---Apple Inc. is working on a subscription service for the iPhone and other hardware products, a move that could make device ownership similar to paying a monthly app fee, according to people with knowledge of the matter. ... But the project is still in development, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the initiative hasn’t been announced. ... Nonetheless, the subscription service is still expected to launch at the end of 2022, but could be delayed into 2023 or end up getting canceled, the people said. --- End quote --- Those are the nub of that article, all the rest is filler or speculation. Doesn't boil down to much does it? So, if it all proves to be a Bloomberg fever dream, they have put just the right mixture of words in there so they can say "You relied on it? But didn't you see all the caveats we put in there?". Note: "people with knowledge of the matter" is journalese for people at quite some remove - "knowledge of the matter" can mean almost anything, some bloke down the pub who "knows a bit about Apple". Code for a source that actually knows something definitive would be "people close to", or "people inside". A "staff member speaking unattributably" is code for an official leak. |
| rsjsouza:
Did you watch the video? To me it was simply reading the news and providing commentary. Sure, the sources might not be the best and the story looks somewhat shady, but his commentary is not far from what the corporate ghouls ascribed to Schwab's agenda have been trying to impose on regular citizens. Not only that, but he frequently backtracks in future videos when he finds incorrect things - this may well be another one of those. As for your choice of words: "Hate", "hack"... Pretty spiteful words coming from someone trying to be credible when trying to debunk a rumour. As with anything Apple, unfortunately my observation of your opinion in this forum is usually quite defensive or biased. If I believed that "hate speech" existed, your sentence above would be a good example of that. Regarding being a "hack": his hacks helped many (Hundreds? Thousands?) to learn a trade and, on the sidelines, personally got involved to influence legislation towards a cause, so he is hardly one. All in all this might as well be a completely unfounded rumour, but the idea is something in vogue and most probably welcomed by investors and financists alike as yet another source of continuous revenue stream. The novelty would be this coming from a manufacturer, not an actual service provider such as a phone company, which they already do with their lock-ins and installment plans. --- Quote from: tooki on March 26, 2022, 12:08:47 am --- --- Quote from: MrMobodies on March 25, 2022, 11:13:52 pm ---I came across this video from Louis Rossmann Apple announces HARDWARE subscriptions: at least they're honest about you not owning it: --- End quote --- And this is why I hate Rossmann: he’s dishonest. A rumor from an anonymous source is not the same as Apple “announcing” something!! And I guess he’s never heard of “leasing” before, which is literally “product as a service for a monthly fee”. *on Bloomberg no less, which never retracted its fake-ass report about embedded surveillance components (actually, they were line filters…) on server motherboards, meaning Bloomberg is not a trustworthy site to begin with --- End quote --- |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 27, 2022, 02:12:22 am ---Did you watch the video? --- End quote --- No, the headline alone told me it’s gonna be another of his annoying videos. His choice of wording - “announces” - is evidence of dishonesty, since Apple announced no such thing. --- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 27, 2022, 02:12:22 am ---As for your choice of words: "Hate", "hack"... Pretty spiteful words coming from someone trying to be credible when trying to debunk a rumour. As with anything Apple, unfortunately my observation of your opinion in this forum is usually quite defensive or biased. If I believed that "hate speech" existed, your sentence above would be a good example of that. --- End quote --- You’re mixing up my single comment with other people’s comments. Please read CAREFULLY before making nasty accusations. I didn’t call him a hack. I said I hate him because he’s dishonest, and I stand by that. I also am not attempting to “debunk” the rumor. I’m merely reminding people that it is a rumor and nothing more! And yes, I am defensive of Apple because of the sheer amount of idiotic, unfounded anti-Apple BS that gets thrown around here all the time. I have no problem with discussions based on objective facts, but every Apple discussion gets mired down in the myths that the haters repeat over and over, even when presented with counterevidence conclusively disproving those myths. --- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 27, 2022, 02:12:22 am ---Regarding being a "hack": his hacks helped many (Hundreds? Thousands?) to learn a trade and, on the sidelines, personally got involved to influence legislation towards a cause, so he is hardly one. --- End quote --- Again, not something I said. I disagree with him and his attitude on many things, and I don’t think his skills in electronics are as good as the deity people make him out to be. Maybe he has helped a few people learn a trade (though I doubt it’s thousands), and he repairs a lot of devices that would otherwise be scrapped, and I do think that’s a good thing. He can do decent work while still being someone I dislike. --- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 27, 2022, 02:12:22 am ---All in all this might as well be a completely unfounded rumour, but the idea is something in vogue and most probably welcomed by investors and financists alike as yet another source of continuous revenue stream. The novelty would be this coming from a manufacturer, not an actual service provider such as a phone company, which they already do with their lock-ins and installment plans. --- End quote --- “In vogue”? It just underscores the level of abject stupidity on the part of most journalists and analysts that they’re getting all giddy about a rumor about leasing, which is nothing new in any way, shape, or form. And this certainly wouldn’t be the first time a technology manufacturer leased stuff directly. |
| MrMobodies:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 26, 2022, 07:22:41 pm --- --- Quote from: tooki on March 26, 2022, 01:31:40 pm --- --- Quote from: PKTKS on March 26, 2022, 08:37:55 am ---A huge deep common grave to bury all this RENT-SEEKERS.. I will never buy hardware this way --- End quote --- Nobody and nothing is forcing you to do so. Especially not an unsubstantiated rumor. Mind you that hardware leasing is LONG established practice in the IT world. For the first few decades of computing, you couldn’t even buy most computers, they were only leased. (IBM mainframes famously were lease-only for many, many years.) --- End quote --- Precisely. Just like the "cloud" was the norm in the early days of computing. The huge progress and breakthroughs in computing in the last few decades has been due to a much more decentralized approach and lower costs. The fact we're getting back to this is not a sign of progress. It's the sign that vendors are turning into banks, making you forever dependent. The slightest hiccup could cut you off, leaving you with nothing. --- End quote --- I know someone who use to work for an insurance company from the 70's. They set the mainframes to "time share" different tasks and experiments that other companies would pay them for. I think they should maintain a choice, rental, high purchase (after the contract I get to keep the goods) and own outright own and insurance/service agreement options so they can suit as many buyers and situations. |
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