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Cerebus:

--- Quote from: PKTKS on March 27, 2022, 12:51:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2022, 12:08:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: PKTKS on March 27, 2022, 11:06:16 am ---They are ALL LOCKED DEVICES...
I can not use them as regular computers to run programs .. write programs and scripts..
just because they have been totally crippled

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Perhaps you cannot, but I can, and so can and do 10s of thousands of other people. That's how apps get made in the first place...

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You made me miss he Monky fellow....  ::)
Exploding spite rant inwards spherically emanating insults...

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Don't be such a drama queen, I didn't even say anything as harsh as "Boo!".


--- Quote ---Do you know Apple charges to include apps and devels in their (closed) realm?
Do you also know the whole device is censored by their hidden bots ?

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Utter rubbish! One is free to write applications and put them onto one's own devices with no charge, no "censorship", no involvement from Apple whatsoever. One can even distribute one's own applications within one's own organisation on the same basis.  An almost identical situation also exists for Android devices. Obvious one must be technically capable enough and know what you're doing first to do so, but that applies to writing an application for any flavour of computer. And "Do you also know the whole device is censored by their hidden bots ?" is just ill informed paranoia and FUD - they aren't.

If you're going to argue against something it pays to understand it first, otherwise you risk looking like an idiot. Yeah, we get it, you hate everything not Linux, but you're becoming a bit of a "one trick pony", all you ever seem to contribute on this forum is knocking things, often from a position of deep ignorance, that don't accord with your rather narrow world view. I don't recall even seeing one actual "electronics" post from you.
PKTKS:
Thank you again for your kind insults...

Just google like
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+stuck+waiting+icloud

Not so long ago even shell scripts could not load properly due to the iCloud bots parsers..
the fact was wide spread available..
your rant is very similar to the other fooly Monky

Not FUD no rant... and.. if I have just 20% of electronics post ..
because I specialized myself in IT along past 30y.
while EE and repair man got left over the 80/90s..

Suit yourself if you you will oppose and insult  the 20% or the rest...

The facts remain.  Apple bots the user life and profit from it 2x
no drama...

Paul
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2022, 04:58:48 pm ---I don't recall even seeing one actual "electronics" post from you.

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Oh, you missed the saga of his '500W' ATX PSUs then.

Sneak preview:



--- Quote from: PKTKS on March 27, 2022, 05:25:33 pm ---Not so long ago even shell scripts could not load properly due to the iCloud bots parsers..
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I'm not really sure where you think iCloud connects with running shell scripts. I recall some ugly launch delays due to external security checks (I'm not an Apple guy so I never bothered digging deep into that), which is not the same thing as 'iCloud bots parsers'.


--- Quote ---Apple bots the user life and profit from it 2x
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This sentence doesn't mean anything. It's just words strung randomly together.
Cerebus:
Paul, you have totally lost the plot. What does a bug with syncing to a cloud file store ("iCloud for Mac is stuck on "waiting to upload"") have to do with any of your claims?

And you've not been insulted, disagreeing with someone, or telling them they are mistaken or even flat out wrong is not insulting them. You are a Linux monomaniac, a quick scan of your posts proves that. Do you think that's insulting? I'd have thought from your ceaseless, breathless advocacy that you would be proud of the fact.

Honestly, you do seem to work really hard at getting your posts filed in the GREEN INK file rather than have an actual dialogue with anyone.
MrMobodies:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2022, 10:17:15 am ---
Twenty years ago no consumers leased their cars, it was purely a business phenomenon, nowadays it's a common practice for consumers - one of the forum members was talking just last week about handing his privately leased BMW i3 back to the leasing company. Consumers used to buy their own copies of Photoshop (well, the honest ones did), now they rent it from Adobe. We've already established that many consumers already lease their phones and have done for years. Many, many millions of people used to rent their televisions, or buy them on hire purchase, which is just another variation on a lease.

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I know some phone companies had this deal that, they will upgrade your phone as soon as next one comes out where you just keep on paying.

I don't know about now but Tesco's were quite generous in that they let you keep the phone out of the contract and automatically unlock which is something I am fund of, a bit like a hire purchase for some who might want to use it for other purposes.


--- Quote ---now they rent it from Adobe
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I met some people who were forced to.

Now about the Adobe/photoshop, I think it could have been photoshop or autocad something like that, a couple of friends who their owned companies last year said to me that they had this deal where they pay for the updates yearly but were told that they were discontinuing this and their package (even thought they had 2 more years on the contract) that they had to "upgrade" to their cloud and app version and pay a monthly subscription. One of them who used it on a daily basis had NO CHOICE (unfamiliar with other alternatives) but had to migrate over and found he was paying three times more than what they paid into the thousands. The other friend said to me they were looking at other solutions to see if they can get use it as they didn't depend on it that often.

Now I can see how they lock people in and Dave Jones had a point about Youtube looking at other platforms such as  Utreon and Odysee incase they delete his channel. So it's good to explore other competitors as if everybody give one entity all the power and they find could do things like this when choices are limited.

My concern is denying people a choice that they once had before.
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