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Apple hardware subscription as a service
TimFox:
When the migration of Photoshop to the Cloud was forced upon photographers, one professional objected.
His day job was photojournalism, especially in conflict zones and poor countries, where internet access was virtually impossible.
When he complained to Adobe, they suggested he log in at the airport.
PlainName:
--- Quote ---Do you know Apple charges to include apps and devels in their (closed) realm?
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That's a bummer but is not in and of itself screwing anyone. A long time ago you paid a LOT of money to join MSDN, similar for OS/2, etc. Many platforms don't have (or didn't have, until they saw the light) APIs or any third-party access to their product offerings.
I think Google set the ball rolling for expectations of free-ness with Play Store apps going for nothing or perhaps 99p if they were expensive. We have just got used to that, but it's worth remembering that at the time the Play Store was an exception.
There are benefits for third-party access, not least to create a community around a product and to improve it without the manufacturer spending any funds on doing so. But it's not a crime to decide that you don't want anyone else involved, or to charge them to make a buck off your product.
MrMobodies:
Talking of Adobe I found this which I found disturbing and I didn't realize this started back many years ago when at the time I remember them being purchased outright by a company I was at:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/download-install-discussions/how-do-i-prevent-creative-cloud-from-taking-over-my-cs6-perpetual-license/m-p/6491847
--- Quote ---How do I prevent Creative Cloud from taking over my CS6 perpetual license?
Damon D Bell Engaged , Sep 24, 2014
I have a perpetual license for CS6 Master Collection / Windows that I installed on my PC and laptop a couple of years ago. 12 months ago, I signed up for the creative cloud / all apps plan. I canceled the creative cloud plan yesterday and my CS6 perpetual license stopped working. After several chat sessions with Adobe techs, I was told to completely uninstall CS6 Master Collection and re-install with my serial number. This worked to solve the activation issue
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I imagine it removed the perpetual copy.
--- Quote ---shootingDistance Community Beginner , Aug 14, 2015
I have the same problem-- i have perpetual licenses for my adobe products, but about a month ago, creative cloud malware appeared on my computer; not knowing what it was for, but knowing that i DID NOT EVER WANT 'creative cloud', and feeling secure that it was not part of my product suite -- last upgraded earlier in the spring, i did nothing to engage it. It appeared to be a 'free subscription' of some kind, and i left it alone. All of a sudden i week ago, my Lightroom app is blocked from opening, by a software license 'agreement' interface that tries to force me to agree that this is creative cloud software. When i reject the agreement, it will not let me access my LR6. This is malware in the extreme, coming from ADOBE!
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--- Quote ---DianaClaireBurns Community Beginner , Sep 20, 2015
I have a perpetual licensed CS6 Premium Web. I can no longer access anything except the Bridge where I can see files, but can't open them. When I try to launch any other CS6 applications, a popup window for the Creative Cloud takes over. When I decline to activate, it shuts down and I still can't launch my licensed version on my computer. Something has taken it over. I never Creative Cloud on my computer. I never will want to use Creative Cloud. Are you saying that I need to reinstall CS6 - really? I have been using it for years with many updates and customizations. To reinstall it would be a MAJOR setback. How did this happen? I've looked through all the forums but I can't find a solution that fixes the problem. Diana Burns
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Creative Cloud taking over.
https://community.adobe.com/t5/download-install-discussions/adobe-cc-installing-apps-without-consent/td-p/12611566
--- Quote ---Adobe CC installing apps without consent andreasn16125003 New Here , Dec 22, 2021
andreasn16125003
New Here , Dec 22, 2021
I have Photoshop CC as my only product - When checking my installed apps the other day, i found that CC had installed After Express, Premiere Pro, Illustrator, Media Encoder and InDesign, all in multiple version. All in all taking up more than 13gb of harddisk space.
Now i've gotten through the hassle of uninstalling every bit of software, that is NOT included in my CC subscription. You service and bussinessmodels are more alike to malware, than that of a reputeable bussiness.
Thanks for wasting my time, again, Adobe. Merry christmas
[Profanity removed by moderator]
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Adobe not looking good on Trustpilot:
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.adobe.com
First review 19th March 2010 (88th page)
Reviews 2514 Bad
Excellent 5%
Great 2%
Average 2%
Poor 4%
Bad 87%
I found this interesting:
--- Quote ---Taylor G. 1 review DO15 Mar 2022
I have never hated a program more.
I have never written a review for a company.. EVER. That being said, I hate Adobe with every bone in my body. After my school ended their contract with Adobe, I lost all of the work I had saved on the cloud and I spent weeks trying to retrieve it with no success. I've accepted that loss, but in the process of trying to get my stuff back
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Not encouraged from the start to save their work locally which reminds me of this article:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/file-not-found-please-tell-me-this-is-a-joke/
--- Quote ---New college students not understanding nested folders!
"A generation that grew up with Google is forcing professors to rethink their lesson plans"
https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
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I was always told that saving work is very important but not now not encouraging it enough and not realizing the subscription maybe need to be paid for or they loose it all if they don't save it elsewhere. I am being told this a lot lately and the more I hear it, "you don't need to know, it's in the cloud, its all cloud these days :bullshit:" and I feel like having a right go at the people who say this to me especially what I am seeing now.
PKTKS:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on March 27, 2022, 05:29:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2022, 04:58:48 pm ---I don't recall even seeing one actual "electronics" post from you.
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Oh, you missed the saga of his '500W' ATX PSUs then.
Sneak preview:
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Monky... i got 2 other batches of those 500W...
placed 2 inside my nephew game server DOOM machine..
Got a marvelous 1000W below 40C inside the case...
Both PSUs in-line at the bottom of the chassi expelling air outside..
The heat now is just from the bottom socket ( PICTURE attach ) :popcorn:
I deal with SECURITY very seriously... for a long time
EVEN RUMORS i take serious...
by the time .. ALOT of rant surged against those Apple SHELL problems..
Now ask yourself.. (as everybody did)
WHY IN HELL Apple placed iCLOUD bots messing with SHELL scripts?
At the time (and i do not have time to dig old rants..)
A LOT of clever people in the security forums..
came to the conclusion the the bots are so deeply buried..
that even a simple shell script was phone home.. before executing..
I take things serious.. even rumors..
Monky my nephew loves his DOOM machine...
i kept that cool .. he is a no brain...
Paul
MadScientist:
--- Quote ---WHY IN HELL Apple placed iCLOUD bots messing with SHELL scripts?
At the time (and i do not have time to dig old rants..)
A LOT of clever people in the security forums..
came to the conclusion the the bots are so deeply buried..
that even a simple shell script was phone home.. before executing..
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Where the evidence this actually exists.
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