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| PKTKS:
--- Quote from: MadScientist on March 28, 2022, 11:17:16 am --- --- Quote ---WHY IN HELL Apple placed iCLOUD bots messing with SHELL scripts? At the time (and i do not have time to dig old rants..) A LOT of clever people in the security forums.. came to the conclusion the the bots are so deeply buried.. that even a simple shell script was phone home.. before executing.. --- End quote --- Where the evidence this actually exists. --- End quote --- this is old stuff.. spread across some forums.. lot of rant... shell scripts were taking a lot of time to load and execute.. in 2 weeks conclusions were issued... i have no time to dig that old shit... bots calling home were causing the issues.. buried deep in system libs Paul |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: PKTKS on March 28, 2022, 11:20:00 am --- --- Quote from: MadScientist on March 28, 2022, 11:17:16 am --- --- Quote ---WHY IN HELL Apple placed iCLOUD bots messing with SHELL scripts? At the time (and i do not have time to dig old rants..) A LOT of clever people in the security forums.. came to the conclusion the the bots are so deeply buried.. that even a simple shell script was phone home.. before executing.. --- End quote --- Where the evidence this actually exists. --- End quote --- this is old stuff.. spread across some forums.. lot of rant... shell scripts were taking a lot of time to load and execute.. in 2 weeks conclusions were issued... i have no time to dig that old shit... bots calling home were causing the issues.. buried deep in system libs Paul --- End quote --- So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving. [sarcasm] How surprising. [/sarcasm] |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 28, 2022, 12:42:41 pm ---So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving. [sarcasm] How surprising. [/sarcasm] --- End quote --- What he's talking about is real - but 'icloud bots' have nothing to do with it. OCSP is used to verify certificates before execution, and sometimes introduces unwanted delays. |
| rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: tooki on March 27, 2022, 02:47:19 am --- --- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 27, 2022, 02:12:22 am ---Did you watch the video? --- End quote --- No, the headline alone told me it’s gonna be another of his annoying videos. His choice of wording - “announces” - is evidence of dishonesty, since Apple announced no such thing. --- End quote --- The title of the post is a consequence of the piece of news he read on video, which may or may not be dishonest - I give the benefit of doubt but you don't. That is your premise, but your defensiveness of a corporation and attempting to debunk the rumour by renaming it to "leasing" (something that even you wouldn't know for sure, or would you but is gagged by an NDA?) undermines your arguments. --- Quote from: tooki on March 27, 2022, 02:47:19 am --- I didn’t call him a hack. --- End quote --- Indeed you didn't call him a hack. Sorry about that. --- Quote from: tooki on March 27, 2022, 02:47:19 am --- --- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 27, 2022, 02:12:22 am ---All in all this might as well be a completely unfounded rumour, but the idea is something in vogue and most probably welcomed by investors and financists alike as yet another source of continuous revenue stream. The novelty would be this coming from a manufacturer, not an actual service provider such as a phone company, which they already do with their lock-ins and installment plans. --- End quote --- “In vogue”? It just underscores the level of abject stupidity on the part of most journalists and analysts that they’re getting all giddy about a rumor about leasing, which is nothing new in any way, shape, or form. --- End quote --- Look around you. The amount of subscription-based services and products increases by the day not only for corporations but for the general public - there is a clear reason why this trend is "in vogue". Not only that, but the overshadowing threat of a piece of hardware in complete control of the manufacturer, which in theory holds all the keys and backdoors to its own product, leads to credible pushback against potential control overreach such as hardware disablement, feature blocking, application uninstall (although that already occurs in Apple ecosystem). The reason claimed could be anything that is vaguely mentioned as a "TOS violation". That is what frustrates the heck out of users having the possibility in the horizon of having one more product slipping away through the fingers. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on March 28, 2022, 12:49:21 pm --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on March 28, 2022, 12:42:41 pm ---So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving. [sarcasm] How surprising. [/sarcasm] --- End quote --- What he's talking about is real - but 'icloud bots' have nothing to do with it. OCSP is used to verify certificates before execution, and sometimes introduces unwanted delays. --- End quote --- Which has nothing to do with running shell scripts, per se, but I can see how that might confuse someone who has no clue about what code signing, OSCP, and X.509 certificates are. But one would hope that an enquiring mind would find out what was going on instead of just ranting about 'iCloud bots' and similar nonsense. |
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