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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2022, 12:08:38 pm »
They are ALL LOCKED DEVICES...
I can not use them as regular computers to run programs .. write programs and scripts..
just because they have been totally crippled

Perhaps you cannot, but I can, and so can and do 10s of thousands of other people. That's how apps get made in the first place. Your doctrinaire "There is exactly one type of computer and it lives on a desktop and runs Linux" attitude is completely blinding you to the real world, where people write and develop programs for the pocketable, hand held computers we call smartphones every day.

I shouldn't really tell you this, because I fear for your mental condition after you discover that your whole world view has fallen apart, but you can even run Linux on an iPhone, should you really want to: https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/linux-iphone-7-3800398/ .
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2022, 12:51:10 pm »
They are ALL LOCKED DEVICES...
I can not use them as regular computers to run programs .. write programs and scripts..
just because they have been totally crippled

Perhaps you cannot, but I can, and so can and do 10s of thousands of other people. That's how apps get made in the first place...

You made me miss he Monky fellow....  ::)
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Do you know Apple charges to include apps and devels in their (closed) realm?
Do you also know the whole device is censored by their hidden bots ?

I am not locked into anything. I just DITCHED the crap and no longer need them.

If you are willing to pay that much on Apple gear.. fine..  your money.

TBH.. they do not worth 1/1000 that much

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2022, 01:32:31 pm »
An iPhone subscription would look like this:

You purchase a 24 month subscription, which you pay with monthly rates.
It will include an insurance. If the phone breaks or you damage it, you get a new one, but you will have to pay a reserve.

The whole deal will cost as much as buying a new iPhone every two years.

If this takes off (remember, it's just a rumour) I would expect it to be different to your suggestion. That way was how cars were sold on HP way back, but nowadays you never get to own the car. Instead, you pay a deposit and then monthly payments for 2 years or so. The payments are priced at covering the car over 5 years (or something similar) so you're clearly not going to have paid it off after 2 years. At that point you can pay the market value less what you've already paid (and then own the car) or hand it back and start again with another car.

That kind of scheme would make lots of sense for Apple devices. After 2 years they are ancient history (not technically, but socially - everyone wants the latest one), but they are mega-expensive to keep upgrading, so you flog off your old one to fund a new one. This scheme would essentially be doing that except you don't have to mess about trying to sell the old one, and you don't have to cough up the full price at the start. Cheap monthly payments, always a new (or relatively new) phone, what's not to like.

The downside is you never own a phone and if you stop paying it's gone. Cars leased this way have mileage limits and penalties for scratches and dents which affect the 'settle up' value at renewal/purchase. Phones would likely have similar.
 

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2022, 01:53:27 pm »

It is easier and more rational to tell this guild to fuck off

it matters to make a stand against such guilds

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2022, 02:35:08 pm »
They are ALL LOCKED DEVICES...
I can not use them as regular computers to run programs .. write programs and scripts..
just because they have been totally crippled

Perhaps you cannot, but I can, and so can and do 10s of thousands of other people.

(..)

FYI
those 10.000  folks  are going to have some ass kicking as welll

http://www.osnews.com/story/134724/apple-would-be-forced-to-allow-sideloading-and-third-party-app-stores-under-new-eu-law/

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2022, 04:58:48 pm »
They are ALL LOCKED DEVICES...
I can not use them as regular computers to run programs .. write programs and scripts..
just because they have been totally crippled

Perhaps you cannot, but I can, and so can and do 10s of thousands of other people. That's how apps get made in the first place...

You made me miss he Monky fellow....  ::)
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Do you know Apple charges to include apps and devels in their (closed) realm?
Do you also know the whole device is censored by their hidden bots ?

Utter rubbish! One is free to write applications and put them onto one's own devices with no charge, no "censorship", no involvement from Apple whatsoever. One can even distribute one's own applications within one's own organisation on the same basis.  An almost identical situation also exists for Android devices. Obvious one must be technically capable enough and know what you're doing first to do so, but that applies to writing an application for any flavour of computer. And "Do you also know the whole device is censored by their hidden bots ?" is just ill informed paranoia and FUD - they aren't.

If you're going to argue against something it pays to understand it first, otherwise you risk looking like an idiot. Yeah, we get it, you hate everything not Linux, but you're becoming a bit of a "one trick pony", all you ever seem to contribute on this forum is knocking things, often from a position of deep ignorance, that don't accord with your rather narrow world view. I don't recall even seeing one actual "electronics" post from you.
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2022, 05:25:33 pm »
Thank you again for your kind insults...

Just google like
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+stuck+waiting+icloud

Not so long ago even shell scripts could not load properly due to the iCloud bots parsers..
the fact was wide spread available..
your rant is very similar to the other fooly Monky

Not FUD no rant... and.. if I have just 20% of electronics post ..
because I specialized myself in IT along past 30y.
while EE and repair man got left over the 80/90s..

Suit yourself if you you will oppose and insult  the 20% or the rest...

The facts remain.  Apple bots the user life and profit from it 2x
no drama...

Paul
 

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2022, 05:29:54 pm »
I don't recall even seeing one actual "electronics" post from you.

Oh, you missed the saga of his '500W' ATX PSUs then.

Sneak preview:


Not so long ago even shell scripts could not load properly due to the iCloud bots parsers..

I'm not really sure where you think iCloud connects with running shell scripts. I recall some ugly launch delays due to external security checks (I'm not an Apple guy so I never bothered digging deep into that), which is not the same thing as 'iCloud bots parsers'.

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Apple bots the user life and profit from it 2x

This sentence doesn't mean anything. It's just words strung randomly together.
 
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2022, 05:39:45 pm »
Paul, you have totally lost the plot. What does a bug with syncing to a cloud file store ("iCloud for Mac is stuck on "waiting to upload"") have to do with any of your claims?

And you've not been insulted, disagreeing with someone, or telling them they are mistaken or even flat out wrong is not insulting them. You are a Linux monomaniac, a quick scan of your posts proves that. Do you think that's insulting? I'd have thought from your ceaseless, breathless advocacy that you would be proud of the fact.

Honestly, you do seem to work really hard at getting your posts filed in the GREEN INK file rather than have an actual dialogue with anyone.
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2022, 08:19:36 pm »

Twenty years ago no consumers leased their cars, it was purely a business phenomenon, nowadays it's a common practice for consumers - one of the forum members was talking just last week about handing his privately leased BMW i3 back to the leasing company. Consumers used to buy their own copies of Photoshop (well, the honest ones did), now they rent it from Adobe. We've already established that many consumers already lease their phones and have done for years. Many, many millions of people used to rent their televisions, or buy them on hire purchase, which is just another variation on a lease.


I know some phone companies had this deal that, they will upgrade your phone as soon as next one comes out where you just keep on paying.

I don't know about now but Tesco's were quite generous in that they let you keep the phone out of the contract and automatically unlock which is something I am fund of, a bit like a hire purchase for some who might want to use it for other purposes.

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now they rent it from Adobe

I met some people who were forced to.

Now about the Adobe/photoshop, I think it could have been photoshop or autocad something like that, a couple of friends who their owned companies last year said to me that they had this deal where they pay for the updates yearly but were told that they were discontinuing this and their package (even thought they had 2 more years on the contract) that they had to "upgrade" to their cloud and app version and pay a monthly subscription. One of them who used it on a daily basis had NO CHOICE (unfamiliar with other alternatives) but had to migrate over and found he was paying three times more than what they paid into the thousands. The other friend said to me they were looking at other solutions to see if they can get use it as they didn't depend on it that often.

Now I can see how they lock people in and Dave Jones had a point about Youtube looking at other platforms such as  Utreon and Odysee incase they delete his channel. So it's good to explore other competitors as if everybody give one entity all the power and they find could do things like this when choices are limited.

My concern is denying people a choice that they once had before.
 

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2022, 08:25:02 pm »
When the migration of Photoshop to the Cloud was forced upon photographers, one professional objected.
His day job was photojournalism, especially in conflict zones and poor countries, where internet access was virtually impossible.
When he complained to Adobe, they suggested he log in at the airport.
 
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2022, 08:31:15 pm »
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Do you know Apple charges to include apps and devels in their (closed) realm?

That's a bummer but is not in and of itself screwing anyone. A long time ago you paid a LOT of money to join MSDN, similar for OS/2, etc. Many platforms don't have (or didn't have, until they saw the light) APIs or any third-party access to their product offerings.

I think Google set the ball rolling for expectations of free-ness with Play Store apps going for nothing or perhaps 99p if they were expensive. We have just got used to that, but it's worth remembering that at the time the Play Store was an exception.

There are benefits for third-party access, not least to create a community around a product and to improve it without the manufacturer spending any funds on doing so. But it's not a crime to decide that you don't want anyone else involved, or to charge them to make a buck off your product.
 

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2022, 11:32:00 pm »
Talking of Adobe I found this which I found disturbing and I didn't realize this started back many years ago when at the time I remember them being purchased outright by a company I was at:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/download-install-discussions/how-do-i-prevent-creative-cloud-from-taking-over-my-cs6-perpetual-license/m-p/6491847
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How do I prevent Creative Cloud from taking over my CS6 perpetual license?
Damon D Bell Engaged , Sep 24, 2014
I have a perpetual license for CS6 Master Collection / Windows that I installed on my PC and laptop a couple of years ago.  12 months ago, I signed up for the creative cloud / all apps plan.  I canceled the creative cloud plan yesterday and my CS6 perpetual license stopped working.  After several chat sessions with Adobe techs, I was told to completely uninstall CS6 Master Collection and re-install with my serial number.  This worked to solve the activation issue
I imagine it removed the perpetual copy.

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I have the same problem-- i have perpetual licenses for my adobe products, but about a month ago, creative cloud malware appeared on my computer; not knowing what it was for, but knowing that i DID NOT EVER WANT 'creative cloud', and feeling secure that it was not part of my product suite -- last upgraded earlier  in the spring,  i did nothing to engage it. It appeared to be a 'free subscription' of some kind, and i left it alone. All of a sudden i week ago, my Lightroom app is blocked from opening, by a software license 'agreement' interface that tries to force me to agree that this is creative cloud software. When i reject the agreement, it will not let me access my LR6. This is malware in the extreme, coming from ADOBE!

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I have a perpetual licensed CS6 Premium Web. I can no longer access anything except the Bridge where I can see files, but can't open them. When I try to launch any other CS6 applications, a popup window for the Creative Cloud takes over. When I decline to activate, it shuts down and I still can't launch my licensed version on my computer. Something has taken it over. I never Creative Cloud on my computer. I never will want to use Creative Cloud. Are you saying that I need to reinstall CS6 - really? I have been using it for years with many updates and customizations. To reinstall it would be a MAJOR setback. How did this happen? I've looked through all the forums but I can't find a solution that fixes the problem. Diana Burns
Creative Cloud taking over.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/download-install-discussions/adobe-cc-installing-apps-without-consent/td-p/12611566
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Adobe CC installing apps without consent andreasn16125003 New Here , Dec 22, 2021
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New Here , Dec 22, 2021

I have Photoshop CC as my only product - When checking my installed apps the other day, i found that CC had installed After Express, Premiere Pro, Illustrator, Media Encoder and InDesign, all in multiple version. All in all taking up more than 13gb of harddisk space.
Now i've gotten through the hassle of uninstalling every bit of software, that is NOT included in my CC subscription. You service and bussinessmodels are more alike to malware, than that of a reputeable bussiness.

Thanks for wasting my time, again, Adobe. Merry christmas

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I found this interesting:
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Taylor G. 1 review DO15 Mar 2022
I have never hated a program more.
I have never written a review for a company.. EVER. That being said, I hate Adobe with every bone in my body. After my school ended their contract with Adobe, I lost all of the work I had saved on the cloud and I spent weeks trying to retrieve it with no success. I've accepted that loss, but in the process of trying to get my stuff back
Not encouraged from the start to save their work locally which reminds me of this article:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/file-not-found-please-tell-me-this-is-a-joke/
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New college students not understanding nested folders!

"A generation that grew up with Google is forcing professors to rethink their lesson plans"

https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z

I was always told that saving work is very important but not now not encouraging it enough and not realizing the subscription maybe need to be paid for or they loose it all if they don't save it elsewhere. I am being told this a lot lately and the more I hear it, "you don't need to know, it's in the cloud, its all cloud these days  :bullshit:"  and I feel like having a right go at the people who say this to me especially what I am seeing now.
 

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2022, 11:07:55 am »
I don't recall even seeing one actual "electronics" post from you.

Oh, you missed the saga of his '500W' ATX PSUs then.

Sneak preview:



Monky...  i got 2 other batches of those 500W...

placed 2 inside my nephew game server DOOM machine..
Got a marvelous 1000W   below 40C  inside the case...
Both PSUs in-line at the bottom of the chassi expelling air outside..

The heat now is just from the bottom socket ( PICTURE attach )  :popcorn:

I deal with SECURITY  very seriously... for a long time
EVEN RUMORS i take serious...

by the time .. ALOT of rant surged against those Apple SHELL problems..

Now ask yourself..  (as everybody did)

WHY IN HELL Apple placed iCLOUD bots messing with SHELL scripts?

At the time (and i do not have time to dig old rants..)
A LOT of clever people  in the security forums..

came to the conclusion the the bots are so deeply buried..
that even a simple shell script was phone home.. before executing..

I take things serious.. even rumors..

Monky my nephew  loves his DOOM machine...
i kept that cool .. he is a no brain...


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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2022, 11:17:16 am »
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WHY IN HELL Apple placed iCLOUD bots messing with SHELL scripts?

At the time (and i do not have time to dig old rants..)
A LOT of clever people  in the security forums..

came to the conclusion the the bots are so deeply buried..
that even a simple shell script was phone home.. before executing..

Where the evidence this actually exists.
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2022, 11:20:00 am »
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WHY IN HELL Apple placed iCLOUD bots messing with SHELL scripts?

At the time (and i do not have time to dig old rants..)
A LOT of clever people  in the security forums..

came to the conclusion the the bots are so deeply buried..
that even a simple shell script was phone home.. before executing..

Where the evidence this actually exists.

this is old stuff..
spread across some forums..  lot of rant...

shell scripts were taking  a lot of time to load and execute..
in 2 weeks conclusions were issued...
i have no time to dig that old shit...

bots calling home were causing the issues..  buried deep in system libs

Paul
 

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2022, 12:42:41 pm »
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WHY IN HELL Apple placed iCLOUD bots messing with SHELL scripts?

At the time (and i do not have time to dig old rants..)
A LOT of clever people  in the security forums..

came to the conclusion the the bots are so deeply buried..
that even a simple shell script was phone home.. before executing..

Where the evidence this actually exists.

this is old stuff..
spread across some forums..  lot of rant...

shell scripts were taking  a lot of time to load and execute..
in 2 weeks conclusions were issued...
i have no time to dig that old shit...

bots calling home were causing the issues..  buried deep in system libs

Paul

So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving.  [sarcasm]  How surprising. [/sarcasm]
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2022, 12:49:21 pm »
So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving.  [sarcasm]  How surprising. [/sarcasm]

What he's talking about is real - but 'icloud bots' have nothing to do with it. OCSP is used to verify certificates before execution, and sometimes introduces unwanted delays.
 

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2022, 01:18:45 pm »
Did you watch the video?
No, the headline alone told me it’s gonna be another of his annoying videos. His choice of wording - “announces” - is evidence of dishonesty, since Apple announced no such thing.
The title of the post is a consequence of the piece of news he read on video, which may or may not be dishonest - I give the benefit of doubt but you don't. That is your premise, but your defensiveness of a corporation and attempting to debunk the rumour by renaming it to "leasing" (something that even you wouldn't know for sure, or would you but is gagged by an NDA?) undermines your arguments.

I didn’t call him a hack.
Indeed you didn't call him a hack. Sorry about that.

All in all this might as well be a completely unfounded rumour, but the idea is something in vogue and most probably welcomed by investors and financists alike as yet another source of continuous revenue stream. The novelty would be this coming from a manufacturer, not an actual service provider such as a phone company, which they already do with their lock-ins and installment plans.
“In vogue”? It just underscores the level of abject stupidity on the part of most journalists and analysts that they’re getting all giddy about a rumor about leasing, which is nothing new in any way, shape, or form.
Look around you. The amount of subscription-based services and products increases by the day not only for corporations but for the general public - there is a clear reason why this trend is "in vogue". Not only that, but the overshadowing threat of a piece of hardware in complete control of the manufacturer, which in theory holds all the keys and backdoors to its own product, leads to credible pushback against potential control overreach such as hardware disablement, feature blocking, application uninstall (although that already occurs in Apple ecosystem). The reason claimed could be anything that is vaguely mentioned as a "TOS violation".

That is what frustrates the heck out of users having the possibility in the horizon of having one more product slipping away through the fingers.
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2022, 01:20:23 pm »
So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving.  [sarcasm]  How surprising. [/sarcasm]

What he's talking about is real - but 'icloud bots' have nothing to do with it. OCSP is used to verify certificates before execution, and sometimes introduces unwanted delays.

Which has nothing to do with running shell scripts, per se, but I can see how that might confuse someone who has no clue about what code signing, OSCP, and X.509 certificates are. But one would hope that an enquiring mind would find out what was going on instead of just ranting about 'iCloud bots' and similar nonsense.
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2022, 01:26:06 pm »
So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving.  [sarcasm]  How surprising. [/sarcasm]

What he's talking about is real - but 'icloud bots' have nothing to do with it. OCSP is used to verify certificates before execution, and sometimes introduces unwanted delays.

dead sure is real.. i take security very seriously...

They solved that outrageous delays in about a couple of weeks...

Nevertheless..  such issue should by no means be forgotten

A persistent 2 week rant popped in a lot of forums..
WTF  WHY a shell script would delay to load && execute... 

calling home...  geez  :wtf:

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2022, 01:57:45 pm »
So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving.  [sarcasm]  How surprising. [/sarcasm]

What he's talking about is real - but 'icloud bots' have nothing to do with it. OCSP is used to verify certificates before execution, and sometimes introduces unwanted delays.

dead sure is real.. i take security very seriously...

They solved that outrageous delays in about a couple of weeks...

Nevertheless..  such issue should by no means be forgotten

A persistent 2 week rant popped in a lot of forums..
WTF  WHY a shell script would delay to load && execute... 

calling home...  geez  :wtf:

Paul

Because every time you execute a shell script, you fork a new shell interpreter, which is a signed Apple binary with a certificate to validate.

You proclaim to be very knowledgeable - this should therefore be obvious to you.
 
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2022, 01:58:47 pm »
Eventually you will have to do it unless you don't want a cell phone. Apple will do it first but then other manufacturers will follow.
Or just buy an unlocked one from Aliexpress or whatever online store that specializes in that type of stuff by then.
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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2022, 02:27:36 pm »
Because every time you execute a shell script, you fork a new shell interpreter, which is a signed Apple binary with a certificate to validate.

You proclaim to be very knowledgeable - this should therefore be obvious to you.


Hilarious ... you two guys in a same post  managed to blame and label me dozen different ways,,,   :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:  :popcorn:  thanks !!!  :scared: :scared: :scared:

I proclaim nothing..   I am not even Apple user .. I think apple gear sucks..

The post just brings an old fact..  that popped on IT security forums.. which i manage to have RSS feeds inwards...  I just brought the issue...  which holds true..

The reason..  WTF i do not care..  I do not use not even trust apple..

They are just a bunch of greedy assholes.. with overpriced hardware

I can get more value for the money

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Re: Apple hardware subscription as a service
« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2022, 04:31:49 pm »
The title of the post is a consequence of the piece of news he read on video, which may or may not be dishonest - I give the benefit of doubt but you don't.
Huh? I’m not talking about the title of the post, but the title of the video. That’s all Rossmann. As others have pointed out, the articles themselves are full of weasel words.

That is your premise, but your defensiveness of a corporation and attempting to debunk the rumour by renaming it to "leasing" (something that even you wouldn't know for sure, or would you but is gagged by an NDA?) undermines your arguments.
So now it’s “defensiveness of a corporation” to clarify that said corporation has not announced anything whatsoever? I am defending logic and honesty, nothing else.

How does it undermine my “argument” (which is that this is nothing but unreliable rumors of a leasing offer) to point out that it’s “leasing”, and that leasing is nothing new?

You keep saying (repeatedly) that I’m trying to “debunk” the rumor. No, I’m not. I didn’t say ANYTHING about whether I think the rumor is true or not. (Frankly, I don’t care whether the rumor is true or not.) I am only saying that it’s dishonest for Rossmann to call it an announcement, when nothing has been announced. Rumors aren’t announcements, and do not merit the weight of actual announcements. Especially not unsubstantiated rumors originating from a particularly unreliable outlet for tech news.


“In vogue”? It just underscores the level of abject stupidity on the part of most journalists and analysts that they’re getting all giddy about a rumor about leasing, which is nothing new in any way, shape, or form.
Look around you. The amount of subscription-based services and products increases by the day not only for corporations but for the general public - there is a clear reason why this trend is "in vogue".
I don’t think you’ve actually comprehended a damned thing I’ve said. (Then again, you’re arguing me on things I did not say , suggest, or imply to begin with, since you’ve not kept track of who said what.) I’m not debating why companies like subscription revenue, nor that they want to move more things towards that.

My point is that it’s crazy and stupid that journalists and analysts are going nuts over something THAT IS NOT NEW. Renaming a lease to “hardware subscription” doesn’t change what it is or how long they’ve been around. At least, not to anyone with half a brain.

My incredulity is at people thinking it a “novelty” when it is nothing of the sort.

Heck, we used to talk about software leasing (which yes, has existed for longer than just the past few years) instead of subscriptions.


I also think it’s stupid for people to get their heckles raised over an unsubstantiated rumor. Y’all are already frothing at the mouth, when literally NOTHING has been announced. Nothing.
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