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PKTKS:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on March 28, 2022, 12:49:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 28, 2022, 12:42:41 pm ---So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving.  [sarcasm]  How surprising. [/sarcasm]

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What he's talking about is real - but 'icloud bots' have nothing to do with it. OCSP is used to verify certificates before execution, and sometimes introduces unwanted delays.

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dead sure is real.. i take security very seriously...

They solved that outrageous delays in about a couple of weeks...

Nevertheless..  such issue should by no means be forgotten

A persistent 2 week rant popped in a lot of forums..
WTF  WHY a shell script would delay to load && execute... 

calling home...  geez  :wtf:

Paul
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: PKTKS on March 28, 2022, 01:26:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on March 28, 2022, 12:49:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 28, 2022, 12:42:41 pm ---So no actual evidence then, just vague hand waving.  [sarcasm]  How surprising. [/sarcasm]

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What he's talking about is real - but 'icloud bots' have nothing to do with it. OCSP is used to verify certificates before execution, and sometimes introduces unwanted delays.

--- End quote ---

dead sure is real.. i take security very seriously...

They solved that outrageous delays in about a couple of weeks...

Nevertheless..  such issue should by no means be forgotten

A persistent 2 week rant popped in a lot of forums..
WTF  WHY a shell script would delay to load && execute... 

calling home...  geez  :wtf:

Paul

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Because every time you execute a shell script, you fork a new shell interpreter, which is a signed Apple binary with a certificate to validate.

You proclaim to be very knowledgeable - this should therefore be obvious to you.
NiHaoMike:

--- Quote from: BeBuLamar on March 27, 2022, 11:43:33 am ---Eventually you will have to do it unless you don't want a cell phone. Apple will do it first but then other manufacturers will follow.

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Or just buy an unlocked one from Aliexpress or whatever online store that specializes in that type of stuff by then.
PKTKS:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on March 28, 2022, 01:57:45 pm ---Because every time you execute a shell script, you fork a new shell interpreter, which is a signed Apple binary with a certificate to validate.

You proclaim to be very knowledgeable - this should therefore be obvious to you.

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Hilarious ... you two guys in a same post  managed to blame and label me dozen different ways,,,   :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:  :popcorn:  thanks !!!  :scared: :scared: :scared:

I proclaim nothing..   I am not even Apple user .. I think apple gear sucks..

The post just brings an old fact..  that popped on IT security forums.. which i manage to have RSS feeds inwards...  I just brought the issue...  which holds true..

The reason..  WTF i do not care..  I do not use not even trust apple..

They are just a bunch of greedy assholes.. with overpriced hardware

I can get more value for the money

Paul
tooki:

--- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 28, 2022, 01:18:45 pm ---The title of the post is a consequence of the piece of news he read on video, which may or may not be dishonest - I give the benefit of doubt but you don't.

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Huh? I’m not talking about the title of the post, but the title of the video. That’s all Rossmann. As others have pointed out, the articles themselves are full of weasel words.


--- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 28, 2022, 01:18:45 pm ---That is your premise, but your defensiveness of a corporation and attempting to debunk the rumour by renaming it to "leasing" (something that even you wouldn't know for sure, or would you but is gagged by an NDA?) undermines your arguments.

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So now it’s “defensiveness of a corporation” to clarify that said corporation has not announced anything whatsoever? I am defending logic and honesty, nothing else.

How does it undermine my “argument” (which is that this is nothing but unreliable rumors of a leasing offer) to point out that it’s “leasing”, and that leasing is nothing new?

You keep saying (repeatedly) that I’m trying to “debunk” the rumor. No, I’m not. I didn’t say ANYTHING about whether I think the rumor is true or not. (Frankly, I don’t care whether the rumor is true or not.) I am only saying that it’s dishonest for Rossmann to call it an announcement, when nothing has been announced. Rumors aren’t announcements, and do not merit the weight of actual announcements. Especially not unsubstantiated rumors originating from a particularly unreliable outlet for tech news.



--- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 28, 2022, 01:18:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on March 27, 2022, 02:47:19 am ---“In vogue”? It just underscores the level of abject stupidity on the part of most journalists and analysts that they’re getting all giddy about a rumor about leasing, which is nothing new in any way, shape, or form.

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Look around you. The amount of subscription-based services and products increases by the day not only for corporations but for the general public - there is a clear reason why this trend is "in vogue".

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I don’t think you’ve actually comprehended a damned thing I’ve said. (Then again, you’re arguing me on things I did not say , suggest, or imply to begin with, since you’ve not kept track of who said what.) I’m not debating why companies like subscription revenue, nor that they want to move more things towards that.

My point is that it’s crazy and stupid that journalists and analysts are going nuts over something THAT IS NOT NEW. Renaming a lease to “hardware subscription” doesn’t change what it is or how long they’ve been around. At least, not to anyone with half a brain.

My incredulity is at people thinking it a “novelty” when it is nothing of the sort.

Heck, we used to talk about software leasing (which yes, has existed for longer than just the past few years) instead of subscriptions.


I also think it’s stupid for people to get their heckles raised over an unsubstantiated rumor. Y’all are already frothing at the mouth, when literally NOTHING has been announced. Nothing.
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