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Apple hardware subscription as a service
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: tooki on March 28, 2022, 04:31:49 pm ---I also think it’s stupid for people to get their heckles raised over an unsubstantiated rumor. Y’all are already frothing at the mouth, when literally NOTHING has been announced. Nothing.
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Yes, but frothing at the mouth is the raison d'être for a certain type of person where Apple is concerned, or Microsoft, or Linux, or "not Linux" , or whatever that particular individual's personal bête noire is.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: PKTKS on March 28, 2022, 02:27:36 pm ---The post just brings an old fact..
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It's not much of a fact when it's wrapped in inarticulate wafflings which make no logical sense and have no connection to the subject.
steve30:
The idea of being forced into renting equipment is nothing new. For decades, the GPO (here in England) rented telephones to subscribers. It was only when it was privatised in the 1980s that people were allowed to purchase their own telephones.
In some ways, this kind of thing still happens. e.g. ISPs often provide a "free" router/modem to customers, but require you to send it back or pay for it when you are no longer a customer. Sometimes they try and force you into using this specific equipment.
It is also quite common for people to take out a long (12 or 24 month) mobile phone contract, paying £x per month, with a "free" phone included. They aren't really rented in the sense that you have to send it back afterwards, but you still aren't buying it upfront.
I personally wouldn't go for rented hardware, but I can see how it would be appealing to some people, and profitable to companies.
MrMobodies:
--- Quote from: steve30 on March 28, 2022, 06:18:45 pm ---The idea of being forced into renting equipment is nothing new. For decades, the GPO (here in England) rented telephones to subscribers. It was only when it was privatised in the 1980s that people were allowed to purchase their own telephones.
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Interesting, I never knew that maybe before my time.
--- Quote ---In some ways, this kind of thing still happens. e.g. ISPs often provide a "free" router/modem to customers, but require you to send it back or pay for it when you are no longer a customer.
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I read that BT started to do this routers from 2019 after the contract ended announcing some recycling deal they had and would charge customers to keep their old router.
https://community.bt.com/t5/Bills-Packages/END-OF-CONTRACT-EQUIPMENT-RETURN/td-p/2005975
--- Quote ---Keith_Beddoe Distinguished Sage 18-02-2020 15h55 - edited 18-02-2020 15h57
@chalky2490 Re: END OF CONTRACT - EQUIPMENT RETURN ?
It depends if you contract started before or after the 13th December 2019.
If its on or after that date, then BT own everything, and it has to be returned.
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If it is nothing of interest I'd use my own stuff like I normally and use their equipment during faults.
I remember before joining my existing ISP they offered me these Technicolour business gateways DWA0120's for £19 one off fee (worth about £80) and I said I didn't want them I got my own solution. The man replied that well if there is a problem you'd want one of these to confirm any faults you might be having so we can remotely have a better insight before sending out Openreach and they are yours after the contract. I thought alright then. They have a dedicate access point mode, engineers menu, syslog but there is one flaw, it exposes the web login via the gateway IP and can't find a way to stop it even with a firewall rule, the config whilst can be decrypted and altered has to be resigned with a key before it accepts it. So I just have them on standby in the cupboard and just swap the cables over to them when requedted for faults so they can do their other monitoring and tests through the ACS/TR069 which is rare.
tooki:
--- Quote from: MrMobodies on March 28, 2022, 07:17:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: steve30 on March 28, 2022, 06:18:45 pm ---The idea of being forced into renting equipment is nothing new. For decades, the GPO (here in England) rented telephones to subscribers. It was only when it was privatised in the 1980s that people were allowed to purchase their own telephones.
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Interesting, I never knew that maybe before my time.
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FWIW, that’s how it was in most of the world. The 1980s were roughly when most countries loosened up their telecom systems and allowed customer-provided equipment.
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