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MrMobodies:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 30, 2022, 01:05:47 pm ---So "now accepted as normal" - not proven in my opinion.
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I have seen that argument used before.

Normally I expect, yes or no but I have seen "accepting them" in there and sometimes "don't know" but then I expect the facts to be explained clearly before making a yes or no.


Reminds me of this in 2011:
https://www.cnet.com/tech/home-entertainment/weve-had-enough-of-on-screen-logos/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/2011/04/digital-on-screen-graphics-res.shtml


--- Quote ---How do people feel about DOGs?
Despite the fact that they are rarely noticed and their usefulness in identifying the channel, the research did show that the audience have mixed views about DOGs:

around a quarter of all TV viewers hold negative views about DOGs
a similar proportion (27% ) are broadly accepting of them
around half of do not have consistently strong views either ways
The research also shows that even amongst those who dislike DOGs, many still agree (4 in 10) that they play a helpful role in identifying the channel; so, although they may irritate, they can at least see the point of them. A minority of people (11%) both don’t like them in principle and don’t find them useful .
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PlainName:

--- Quote ---Repeat after me until you actually understand this: Hardware 👏 is 👏 not 👏 software. 👏
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Sorry to be blunt, but your head is in the sand over this. Already companies like DJI and Boox effectively lend you their hardware, and hardly anyone cares now. And if that doesn't give you pause for thought, just try and buy a John Deere tractor and see how much you own that!
PKTKS:
So.. risking to be blamed and insulted again...

Let me get straight ...  there seems to be a free will consent..

That going back to 50/60s years where insanely expensive
costs made rent hardware the single viable option..

back to 21st century (as said above)  decreasing costs...
made hardware a commodity easy to ditch and replace. (not even repair is an issue..)

And so.. the rent-seekers are trying not only increase profit margins..
but also  remove any alternative of ownership or possession so to sustain an infinite rent model easily and cheapest than 50/60s high costs...

Nice.. we should all gave ou r social life and data and free will to huge corporations..

Last question:
- who to blame in the case of insecurity incidents..
- data counterfeit..
-  loss of data and access to vital education and general information..

Now controlled by these half dozen (fill blank) corps?
what you can see can hear can download... 
can even STORE in cloud..  etc...

No thanks. This  back to the future past  sounds BS

Paul
tooki:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 30, 2022, 03:29:32 pm ---
--- Quote ---Repeat after me until you actually understand this: Hardware 👏 is 👏 not 👏 software. 👏
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Sorry to be blunt, but your head is in the sand over this. Already companies like DJI and Boox effectively lend you their hardware, and hardly anyone cares now. And if that doesn't give you pause for thought, just try and buy a John Deere tractor and see how much you own that!

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You're confounding different things.

I don’t know what you’re referring to with DJI and Boox, since I don’t use their products, but they’re clearly selling the hardware. Same with John Deere. The “you bought the hardware but don’t own it” is a legitimate, but unrelated tangent. John Deere isn’t going to hand you over a tractor for a monthly fee with no credit check.

Point is, hardware leasing/rental and software rental aren’t the same thing because hardware and software are fundamentally different. Claiming otherwise is dishonest. So stop being dishonest.
PlainName:

--- Quote ---So stop being dishonest
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I am not being dishonest and not trying to be. I resent you insinuating that I am doing that - you are basically calling me a liar, and I would like you to retract that slur.
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